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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2006, 11:57:24 pm »
naka post na pic nya para at least kahit sinong rider iilagan sya at baka kasi biglang pagbuksan nya ng pinto pagdaan ng rider mabalian pa ng buto or two.

satirical kasi eh... nakakatawa daw.mocking and sardonic... jeez

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2006, 05:27:37 pm »
DOWN WITH ERLE!!!! MABUHAY ANG MGA JOLOGS.. este.. RIDERS!!

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2006, 12:33:40 pm »
I browsed thru your feedback pages and noticed that TG staff usually respond to the comments. In this month's issue, however, no one from TG seemed to want to respond to the feedback to Mr. Sebastian's column... Not even Mr Sebastian himself. I am a member of the motorcycle phils site and I've seen 8 web pages of comments in the forum regarding Mr Sebastian's column. It's sad to see mob behavior anywhere. Some people just react without even reading the article, and others just react to the comments...

I am a menace on two and four wheels. I own a scooter and a car, and I do the things Mr Sebastian hates most about motorcycle-riding people. So I did not feel the slightest bit offended, hehehe...

I do however have something to say about TG Ed-in-chief's email to one of the people who complained about the column. The ed in chief said it was a satirical piece. It's not.

The humor of satire tends to be subtle, using irony and deadpan humour liberally.

There was nothing ironic or funny or remotely witty in Mr Sebastian's article. It was full of hate, animosity and resentment. As such it generated reactions of hate, animosity and resentment...

It's funny the ed in chief mentioned Jeremy Clarkson's columns as an example of the types of articles of the same nature as Mr Sebastian's. It's like comparing the dry, witty, humor of Shakespeare with the hate-filled rhetoric of Hitler. I'm not saying Clarkson is Shakespeare, not by a long shot... hehehe... But Sebastian in his column came very close to being that despicable war-monger.

I am a menace on two or four wheels, my friends can attest to that, hehehe... I have had an FX door open while I used the small lane beside cars on the sidewalk side, I've grazed a car door with my scoot (more than a couple with my car, hehehe), I have used the sidewalk when traffic was heavy, I counterflow and split lanes... I'm everything Sebastian hates about bikers.

But I am going to be more responsible---that much Sebastian has done with his article. Not because he hates people like me so much (I couldn't care less about Sebastian), but because we (motorcycle riders) will be policing our ranks to make sure we co-exist peacefully with our fellow man.
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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2006, 01:20:41 pm »
Dear Mr Nickulas:

Thanks for your post. First of all, I just want to say that we didn't ignore the angry sentiments toward Mr Sebastian's column in our notorious May 2006 issue. I did write at least two letters in response, both of which were even posted in the motorcycle forums you mentioned. Please know that we took everyone's reaction seriously--even those that we felt were already bordering on the offensively trivial.

Also, I did devote my Editor's Letter for the July 2006 issue to this whole thing. Trust me, we didn't just shrug it off. But also, having said that, life has to go on. We can't dwell on this thing forever, can we?

Secondly, the reason I said Mr Sebastian's column was a satire is because I knew it to be exactly that. I can assure you it wasn't hateful. Of course, I can say this because I happen to know the guy. If you'll bother to review his other past columns, you will note that he really is just a satirist. Even the name of his column declares as much (Loco-in-Motion).

I guess my one fault was that I assumed everyone would get the humor. (Actually, many people did.) I now realize that since readers had no idea who Mr Sebastian was and how he really put his thoughts into writing, his piece came across as hateful--exactly as you tagged it. And for that, I sincerely apologize.

But I do appreciate your level-headed comments. They are certainly a respite from all those "Kill-Erle-Sebastian-boycott-Top-Gear" mantras that have been strewn along our path.

Thank you very much. And may God bless you and your fellow bikers.


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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2006, 04:53:42 pm »
Hi Vernon,

The name is Nick Puno, btw. I failed to put it in my post. Thanks for your prompt reply and for your responses to email senders regarding this issue. It is refreshing to read a sane response to such a volatile issue. Like I said, some of us in the motorcycle riding community will be more vigilant so hopefully we can reduce (I honestly think we can't eliminate idiots on the road---whether they drive or not) the menace in our roads.

I look forward to the July copy Mr. Sarne, keep up the good work.  :)

Nick

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2006, 04:12:08 pm »
I know this is a little late in the day but I want to post a reaction to the article of Erle and the subsequent reader reactions.

Perhaps if the readers would go past the first, rather ambiguous, and consequently irresponsible statement "I HATE BIKE RIDERS"  then perhaps those two wheeled fans, myself included ( though i am more cyclist than motorcyclist) , would see that there is a ctually, quite A LOT of truth in this article.

For instance, from the comments on this forum as well as the letters to the editor, it is quite obvious that a good number of motorcyclists feel that the rules of the road do not apply to them. Those laws were put up to protect everyone, from pedestrians, motorcycle riders even the bus driver. Can the motorcyclists on this forum consider how many riders do they know, who actually FOLLOW the traffic rules ?  And can they fathom how the other law abiding citizens must feel when they see a lot of these riders break laws with impunity?

And does one need to run a statistical study to see how rampant this behavior goes? I drive from Batasan to Makati and I can tell you that the disciplined motorcyle rider is a rare commodity. Commonwealth road and Congressional are places where one will literally see utter disrespect for laws. Only the jaded and biased among us will be blind to this.

BUT if it were only breaking a few rules now and then, it would not be enough to cause a furor, much like Erle's tirade. The problem is, in a good number of cases, the behavior can harm, maim or even kill innocent people. If all they would do is just harm themselves, then I would have no argument with that. But when they go on sidewalks, enter one way roads, run at dangerously high speeds in narrow quarters where INNOCENT people, even children are put in harms way , then I draw the line there.

Just to give an example, in Katipunan in front of Ateneo, the signs SPECIFICALLY prohibit two wheeled vehicles from the sidewalk.... students , kids at that, are usually there, believeing that the sidewalk is a a safe place for them. Commonsense dictates that sidewalks are for pedestrians. But whenever there is traffic on Katipunan, a lot of motorcycles resort to running on the sidewalk forcing people to MAKE WAY for them. Aside from the obvious danger to the kids, what kind of message could these people be sending to them ? These kids can read signs so do they want these kids, some of them future leaders of our country, to believe that rules are made to be broken? And that they should stand aside for these lawbreakers?? On this same road and in Commonwealth, riders insist on passing between the vehicle and sidewalk. Is it so hard to understand that just because the space is as wide as your handlebars, it does not follow that you can just careen into that space with utter disregard for people who have the RIGHT to be there and THEY DONT? People are not supposed to watching out for these riders in places where they  are not supposed be. I wonder, do these irresponsible riders ever stop to think about what they would do if they knocked down a child to the pavement, hitting their head and getting killed? OR if their own kids or loved ones got maimed or killed by other irresponsible riders? After all they are not the only bad riders there and when they do such things, they better be ready for other people doing the same.

To further my case and to show what that kind of behavior can spawn, I ride on the trails of Timberland San Mateo with my 11 year old son. We climb on the cement roads all the way to the dirt trails and on several occasions, he has been traumatized by some of the motorcycle riders who ride there. On so many occasions, we encountered these riders, really pouring on the power, on the narrow trails and on the long winding paved road going up. But when one rider on the trail, went too close, showering us with debris causing my son to suddenly veer to the side of the road in panic, THAT was it. From then on, I used to just drive up there in my car in a normal, just allowing the riders to careen up those slopes, but not anymore. Quite a number of riders there have now realized that cars can climb up and take those corners in as manic a manner and pace as they do. And that the very same car can do that on the trail too since  its an SUV.

I admit, whenever I chance upon a motorcyclist speeding on or off the trail when I am in my car, I go and speed up myself, just to drive home the message that there ARE bigger guys on the road. If they can drive like that then SO CAN I. And they have only their fellow riders blame. But even then, I only go after the speeding ones, not the disciplined ones. Not like the rider who terrorized my son who was innocently pedalling along.
The truth is SOMEONE,  somewhere ALWAYS carries a bigger stick so to speak. The reason why we are SUPPOSED to be a civilized society is we are governed by laws to keep us safe and keep us from harming each other. When irresponsible motorcycle riders tick off motorists in larger cars or buses, and therefore make them drive LIKE THEM, what do you think would be the end result? I am a biker too as I said, I also ride big bikes and it really irritates me that because of the behavior of irresponsible riders, I can definitely feel less respect from motorists.

That is why the article should serve as a wake up call to those responsible riders to police their ranks as we try to do in our bike clubs and car clubs. The motorcyle and more so the bicycle are methods of transportation that should be encouraged in these times. But unless discipline and safe riding becomes the rule, there WILL BE a large number of motorcyle riders who will be maimed , not by Erle, but by motorists who INSIST that their rights on the road be RESPECTED.

A great deal of the problems of this country can be solved if we, as citizens, just follow the rule of law AND INSIST that others do so. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW.

Finally, if I sound incensed by this topic, its because it really affects me when people behave as though they are exempt from laws. Because I have kids and loved ones whose safety and well being is affected by  whether other people obey rules or not  and I cannot always be around to protect them. So it is my hope that the more responsible readers will view the article not as a call to arms against Erle but as an impetus to police their ranks and educate their fellow riders so that we can all co-exist peacefully and HOPEFULLY bring two wheeled transports to its perfect role as SAFE and ECONOMICAL transportation for EVERYONE.  Not as an instrument to indulge antisocial reckless behavior. The sooner they weed out the undisciplined and irresponsible among them, the sooner they can bring two wheels into the forefront of transportation which in the end will benefit everyone.

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2006, 05:56:40 pm »
finally, readers that make sense. thank you lord, please multiply them.

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2006, 11:47:57 pm »
I reader who makes sense because he supports the view of a magazine writer who advocated that it is correct to go out and snag a motorcyclist with your open door as a service for other motorist?

I don't like the pinoy motorcyclist (in general) because they simply break more road rules than you can count but I personally do not like advocating to other people that it is correct & morally right to hurt them just short of killing them so there will be one less motorcyclist on the road to break the rules of the road.






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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 03:44:43 pm »
so you and the rest of the other agitated guys really think erle's calling people to hurt the riders?

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 04:55:00 pm »
so you and the rest of the other agitated guys really think erle's calling people to hurt the riders?

not calling out people... just going them some sort of twisted justification to do it.




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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 08:17:23 pm »
@ghosthunter - can you go and check in my post where it says that I support or advocate Erles call to go snag a bike ?? And if you go read the article and my reply more carefully, then perhaps you can start and give your opinion. And in case you did not read it, I ride two wheels a lot, even with my kids and I make sure we are never on the wrong side of a car or even too close to doors on the driver side. Because we are sensible riders who make sure that we are where people expect us to be. Andmy cardinal rule for driving on 2 or 4 wheels , specially on 2, make sure the other guys see you, if you cannot be sure, THEN ASSUME THEY DON"T SEE YOU.  Those motorcyclists who get snagged by being on the wrong side have only themselves to blame.

So ulitin ko lang pare - get your facts right before you post  >:(
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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2006, 10:04:53 pm »
why all the hatin'?

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2006, 08:57:37 am »
e-thuggin'! |337! w00t w00t! ;D
Your car is only good for the days you can drive it.

Speed=Distance over time. The longer your car stays in the workshop, the slower it really is. :D

9hp  > 127hp

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Re: Top Gear May 2006 Issue
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2006, 02:19:17 am »
o paano tulog muna ako mga repa-peeps.  this is not goodbye, only goodnight. to quote the godfather - just when i thought i was out, they pulled me back in! 8)

thanks for giving me a reason to stay in this forum.

nayt. nayt.