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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2006, 09:15:59 pm »
Hi Vernon!

       I guess what we have here is a healthy exchange opinions and I won't add anymore fuel to the flame so to speak; enough said (written).  We will just have to wait for your editorial for all to see and perhaps understand.
       
        I am also certain that the majority of your readers, especially the ones who do not participate in our forums, share a strong opinion about your shades ;D.  Hey man, don't get us wrong, they are a great pair but as Randy pointed out "warmth" is a factor if you really want to make a connection with us followers.  May I also add that in my humble opinion it is like an attempt to be different from Mike; sort of like a "new approach".  Again don't get me wrong, I respectfully believe that you and Mike are two different Eds with entirely different styles. 
       
       This fact has to be firmly understood by those who can't help but make comparisons between you and Mr. Black so that it can pave the way for TopGear's positive development.
       
       Will we see the "unveiled" Mr. Vernon Sarne in next issue's ed pic? It should not be hard like a hat trick but more like the unveiling of the next supercar.

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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2006, 10:43:54 pm »
why are you people complaining? did mr sebastian print anything that was not true? dont you see bikes swerve left and right, stay in between lanes even in moving (40kph) traffic? use the opposite lane when traffic stops? even when there are on coming vehicles? dont you see messengers on bikes using the sidewalks as shortcuts? in malls, even if there's ample parking,aren't there bikes chained to the water pipes, sign posts or trees for that matter? mr sebastians point if you didnt get it is that bikes are quite numerous. and that there are quite a number of morronic, imbecillic, idiotic riders on our streets. it's very easy to purchase a unit. minimum wage earners can finance one and he can ride the unit out of the showroom if the unit is in stock. now can you apply that to cars? bikes are now the Filipino's mode of mass transport. you'll regularly see a bike loaded with a small young family. the idiotic father, the ugly mother and the 1.5children that has bronchitis. and only 2 of the passengers have helmts. tell me if that is not a common sight. mods are great. mods are cool. if it is done right. i'll admit cars are also villains here, but as mr john of motorcycleasia.com said there was 500,000 bikes sold on 1 year alone, imagine if only 10% of those bikes got modified (and thats a small estimate, admit it) noisy bike still outnumber noisy cars! add to that the fact that bike clubs love to go to tagaytay on week ends! i live in cavite, imus to be specific. my house is just 35 meters from the highway. imagine yourself woken up at 6:00 AM on God's Sunday by what could be mistaken as four squadrons of jap zero fighters. evry sunday. even saturdays. if thers a holiday, God help me. add to that the fact that they have a police escort. they stay on the passing lane, cruising at a leisurely 30-40kph. if theres traffic you'll see them either going against traffic with the help of mr policeman or weaving their way through the cars that has been stationary for the better part of 20 minutes. aren't clubs supposed to be formed so that riders will be educated and disciplined?
people dont be blind. what mr sebastian wrote was not a lie, nor was it unreaserched. maybe it hurts because you're guilty of some of what he was ranting about. car drivers break the law. truck drivers break the law. PUV drivers break the law. mr sebastian wants us to break that cycle. whats wrong is wrong , even if a majority is doing it.
 an edtitorial is an article where the writter shares his opinions. thats what mr sebastians article is, from time to time. it was an opinion from his point of view. like a post. just like this one.
NOW PEOPLE GET OFF HIS BACK!

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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2006, 04:45:49 am »
why are you people complaining? did mr sebastian print anything that was not true? dont you see bikes swerve left and right, stay in between lanes even in moving (40kph) traffic? use the opposite lane when traffic stops? even when there are on coming vehicles? dont you see messengers on bikes using the sidewalks as shortcuts? in malls, even if there's ample parking,aren't there bikes chained to the water pipes, sign posts or trees for that matter? mr sebastians point if you didnt get it is that bikes are quite numerous. and that there are quite a number of morronic, imbecillic, idiotic riders on our streets. it's very easy to purchase a unit. minimum wage earners can finance one and he can ride the unit out of the showroom if the unit is in stock. now can you apply that to cars? bikes are now the Filipino's mode of mass transport. you'll regularly see a bike loaded with a small young family. the idiotic father, the ugly mother and the 1.5children that has bronchitis. and only 2 of the passengers have helmts. tell me if that is not a common sight. mods are great. mods are cool. if it is done right. i'll admit cars are also villains here, but as mr john of motorcycleasia.com said there was 500,000 bikes sold on 1 year alone, imagine if only 10% of those bikes got modified (and thats a small estimate, admit it) noisy bike still outnumber noisy cars! add to that the fact that bike clubs love to go to tagaytay on week ends! i live in cavite, imus to be specific. my house is just 35 meters from the highway. imagine yourself woken up at 6:00 AM on God's Sunday by what could be mistaken as four squadrons of jap zero fighters. evry sunday. even saturdays. if thers a holiday, God help me. add to that the fact that they have a police escort. they stay on the passing lane, cruising at a leisurely 30-40kph. if theres traffic you'll see them either going against traffic with the help of mr policeman or weaving their way through the cars that has been stationary for the better part of 20 minutes. aren't clubs supposed to be formed so that riders will be educated and disciplined?
people dont be blind. what mr sebastian wrote was not a lie, nor was it unreaserched. maybe it hurts because you're guilty of some of what he was ranting about. car drivers break the law. truck drivers break the law. PUV drivers break the law. mr sebastian wants us to break that cycle. whats wrong is wrong , even if a majority is doing it.
 an edtitorial is an article where the writter shares his opinions. thats what mr sebastians article is, from time to time. it was an opinion from his point of view. like a post. just like this one.
NOW PEOPLE GET OFF HIS BACK!
I'm sorry but I totally disagree with you on this. We are not complaining... we are angry and upset. There is a world of a difference between complaining and getting angry. GEEZ!!! Everything that you have mentioned we already know... We complain about it even among ourselves for crying out loud.  ::) I guess from a non-biker's point of view, which I am guessing you are one Mr. TatayMaws, Mr. Sebastian's article holds true on all accounts. Well sorry to break your bubble. But Mr. Sebastian's article was all rant and very little substance.

AND JUST TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR TO YOU and others like you, the generalizations (albeit unresearched) he made are the icing on the cake. I can live with that. But what really got the riding community PISSED OFF and all RILED UP was Mr. Sebastian's gall to suggest it's OPEN SEASON TO SNAG bikers! And to add insult to injury, he further publicly delights in admitting seeing us bikers maimed, mind you not killed (satirical or not, this is totally BS and unacceptable for a motoring journalist in a motoring magazine). Don't you get it TatayMaws? Don't you know what kind of message this supposed 10-year veteran of journalism has just broadcasted to every d**khead bike-hater and every TOM, DICK and JERRY who has had a grudge against people on two  wheels??? It is NOT a pleasant message. It makes surviving riding the streets even harder than it already is for us. Do hope you can understand that?

You don't like the noise of bikes going up and down Tagaytay? Well, heck, maybe you'll like the noise of those suped-up cars running up and down Julia Vargas Ave. dragracing at 2:00AM???. We can go on and on with these kinds of arguments and it will get us nowhere. <sigh>

And please, let's not get into the "a whole family on a motorbike with only the father having a helmet" kind of arguments. This is not about a socio-economic issue.

An editorial is an article where a writer shares his opinions... true enough. I'll accept that. But that does not stop me or anyone offended by it to voice out our displeasure and seek redress... at the very least, a public apology.

Everything he wrote about we already knew and have been trying really hard to address and correct. Articles like his DO NOT make things any better. They DO NOT open our minds to anything. They DO NOT make us feel guilty. On the contrary, what articles like his does is to FAN the flames of HATE among cagers and bikers.

So yes, please get off our BACKS already! We are the ones aggrieved here. NOT Mr. Sebastian, NOT you, NOT cagers. SO BACK OFF already. Oh and yes... this is just my opion. A very angry opinion at that.
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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2006, 10:09:35 am »
"AND JUST TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR TO YOU and others like you, the generalizations (albeit unresearched) he made are the icing on the cake."

I'm seeing lots of things about unresearched opinion, can anyone produce some figures about this matter? Statistic that not only covers metro manila but also provinces. So we could have a concrete evidence about this matter. But before giving any figures I believe that those figures will not be accurate if it is from the mmda, lto etc. Lots of violations are not recorded because almost everyone gets away with it whatever vehivle you drive unless your are caught at makati hehe.
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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2006, 11:15:06 am »
"AND JUST TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR TO YOU and others like you, the generalizations (albeit unresearched) he made are the icing on the cake."

I'm seeing lots of things about unresearched opinion, can anyone produce some figures about this matter? Statistic that not only covers metro manila but also provinces. So we could have a concrete evidence about this matter. But before giving any figures I believe that those figures will not be accurate if it is from the mmda, lto etc.

This is precisely the point... Mr. Sebastian's "generalizations" are unresearched - based on his emotions, hearsay, personal experiences/observations of himself and perhaps of his friends. If he wanted information about statistics and figures, Mr. Sebastian could have easily contacted The MOTORCYCLE ADVOCATES of the PHILIPPINES. They have most if not all the information he needed. But I guess he didn't know about this organization now did he? Had he done some research (even just a tiny bit), he could have come up with a better article.. or perhaps even changed his perceptions a little about those "menaces on two-wheels."  This DATA was presented by the MAP at the Second International Road Safety Seminar in November of 2004.  The report received an overwhelming ovation from FEMA, JAMA, LTO, PNP, TMG, PSF, LMFI and the MDPPA.

No need to post the statistics here. Let Mr. Sebastian do the research... that's what GOOD journalists are supposed to do.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 11:24:45 am by mashimaro »

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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2006, 11:41:26 pm »
satirical...

push f12 kung naka osx ka and silipin sa widgets... and what do you get?
sarcastic, critical and MOCKING one's weakness...

another word for it, pick the thesaurus and what do we get?
mocking, sarcastic, SARDONIC, trenchant, stinging, scornful, DISRESPECTFUL...

and you say your article is funny mr. sebastian...
masyado na ata bumilog ulo mo after so many years of writing.
try asking around some of the people you work with and find out what they really think of you. julius ceasar nga pala paano namatay?

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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2006, 05:49:29 pm »
DOWN WITH ERLE!! MABUHAY ANG MGA JOLOGS... este.. RIDERS!!  LONG LIVE RIDERS!! I WANT TO BE A RIDER!! WOHOOO! RIDERS FOR LIFE!!

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2006, 07:06:43 pm »
say no to squids, say yes to decent riders!
Your car is only good for the days you can drive it.

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2006, 10:00:59 am »
why are you people complaining? did mr sebastian print anything that was not true? dont you see bikes swerve left and right, stay in between lanes even in moving (40kph) traffic? use the opposite lane when traffic stops? even when there are on coming vehicles? dont you see messengers on bikes using the sidewalks as shortcuts? in malls, even if there's ample parking,aren't there bikes chained to the water pipes, sign posts or trees for that matter? mr sebastians point if you didnt get it is that bikes are quite numerous. and that there are quite a number of morronic, imbecillic, idiotic riders on our streets...

 ???  Never been out in metro manila have you?  You just described a lot of car drivers there.  Fortunately for them, people who own cars that do what you mentioned, their probability of survival is exponentialy greater than a bike rider doing the same. As someone who rides daily, I am fully aware of my mortality, and take less chances because I realize this.  If a biker gets into an accident 99% of the time he/she will only injure themselves. 

But what about four wheeled drivers.  Those menaces on the road?  The ones who disregard safety, and let me quote you on this. " swerve left and right,...  use the opposite lane when traffic stops? even when there are on coming vehicles.  What happens then is a major F@#up.  With people injured or dead!

I totally agree that there are a lot of stupid people who ride bikes.  But amongst us bikers we have ranted against them also, we even have a term for them "SQUIDS". Just like what Al_motor said.

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2006, 12:13:00 pm »
Erle, maybe you can learn a thing or two from your colleagues in journalism... here is an article written by Lester Dizon for the Philippine Star:

Shattering Motorcycle Myths
BACKSEAT DRIVER By Lester Dizon
The Philippine STAR 12/14/2005

It used to be that when I tell a friend, a casual acquaintance or a relative that I’m into motorcycling, they would normally give me a look like I’m suicidal. The conversation will always end with something like "Think about your family, especially your children, who might grow up without a father," or a similar statement to that effect.

But nowadays, when I tell people I’m into motorbikes, many respond with "I’m thinking of getting into bikes, too," or "I just got a bike myself." It might be because of the spiraling cost of fuel or the increasingly heavy traffic, but people are beginning to see motorcycles as sensible transportation and not just as a hobby or a toy of riders with a death wish. But whatever the case, motorcycle riding is finally coming out as a safe and fun alternative to go around town.

Unfortunately, some age-old myths about motorcycling still exist and some people still have misconceptions about riding motorbikes because of these. Please allow me to share with you four of these myths and popular misconceptions:

Motorcycles are a minority. Drivers of four-wheeled vehicles especially large trucks and buses, tend to bully motorcyclists because they think that their trucks and buses outnumber motorcycles, plus the fact that their vehicle is much, much larger. They may be larger in physical size but the truth is, according to DOTC-LTO data, the motorcycle population is much larger than the bus and the truck population, as well as the car population. There are now over two million motorcycles registered nationwide (or almost 40 percent of the total national vehicle population) with almost 200,000 in Metro Manila alone (or 20 percent of Manila’s vehicle population) compared to 36,029 buses nationwide (1 percent) with 11,256 buses in the National Capital Region (1 percent) or 292,168 trucks (10 percent) with 71,285 trucks (8 percent) cluttering up the NCR while cars constitute 862,847 (29 percent) with 521,939 cars in the Metro (62 percent). The motorcycle figures do not include tricycles which number about 603,827 units (20 percent), 63,243 of which are picking up fares in Metro Manila constituting seven percent of the metropolis’ vehicle population. Thus, if all two million motorcyclists were to unite, they can put up their own congressional party list and install their own congressman or woman. In an election year, the bikers and their immediate family would be a considerable voting block of about 10 to 15 million voters. Think of all the motorcycle-friendly legislatures that can be passed in Congress!

Motorcycles are inherently dangerous. My mama always told me that life is like a box of choco…oops, I meant she used to tell me that riding a bike is like having one foot in the grave. She got that idea from my grandpa who crashed his new Triumph Montesa 250 Twin when he had a diabetic seizure while riding in Vietnam in 1968. And he didn’t know that he was diabetic until he had his seizure! Tsk, tsk, his near-death accident wasn’t the motorcycle’s fault after all. Well, reports from the NCR Traffic Management Office (TMO) echoes the safety records of motorbikes. According to the NCR-TMO data base, three accidents happen to each registered bus yearly, compared to one accident per 1.5 cars and one per 1.75 trucks. Motorcycles on the other hand, have the safest record with one accident per eight registered motorbikes while an accident occurs for every six registered tricycles. Furthermore, the NCR-TMO reports that fatality rates from motorcycle accidents constitute only one percent compared to two percent for cars and the same percentage for trucks and three percent for buses and the same for jeepneys. Unfortunately, while it’s a statistical fact that motorcycles are not accident prone, it is a reality that motorbikes are vulnerable. That’s why riders should concentrate more on their riding than drivers of four-wheeled vehicles do on their driving. Average driving of an automobile requires around 4/10ths of your concentration (or lower) while riding a motorcycle requires 10/10ths or your complete attention. Of course, wearing the proper riding gear (helmet, eye protection, padded jacket, gloves, long pants, knee protector and ankle-high boots) ensures rider safety, too.

Motorcycles are polluters. Admittedly, some motorcycles do litter the environment with white smoke or unburned hydrocarbons emitting from their poorly-maintained engines and noise from their incorrectly modified, unrestricted or straight-flow exhaust systems. Fortunately, these bikes are the minority rather than the majority. But if you really think about it, there are less pollutants spewed into the air by a basic single-cylinder motorcycle carrying a single rider than there are pollutants spewed by a basic four-cylinder car carrying a single occupant. Motorbikes consume less fuel, too, which can help reduce the country’s dependence on oil. Motorcycles also occupy less space than cars, which could solve the traffic problem if more people rode than drove. More over, motorcycles are infrastructure efficient, meaning you can fit more bikes into a space occupied by one car. For example, a parking slot for one car can accommodate five motorbikes, and these can help preserve the remaining greenery instead of converting the space into another parking lot.

Motorcycles are impractical transportation. In our country of dry and wet seasons, many claim that motorcycling has no place: it’s too hot to ride in summer and too wet to ride during the rainy season. Unfortunately, these claims are made by people who don’t really ride. I ride during summer wearing an armor-padded mesh jacket and not only do I look cool, but I ride cooled by the wind. I wear a vented rain coat during the rainy season and though I may be wet with a little sweat and rain, I’ve never been caught in a traffic jam caused by a flooded street. I can always turn around and find another unclogged or moving route whenever I get caught in a flood-caused traffic jam. And regardless of weather, riding always saves me between 30 to 60 percent of the travel time compared to driving. I get to where I’m going faster and I can go to more places given the same amount of time. Don’t get me wrong, I love to drive cars but not in our traffic-snarled city streets. Not unless I have to, that is.

So, there you have it. Based on empirical data, motorcycles are proven to be safer, and they reduce travel time, can help reduce the national fuel consumption, spew fewer emissions and are infrastructure efficient. Bikes also allow a lower entry level for low- to middle-income blue-collar workers to acquire their own means of transportation and the motorcycle may be the untapped development program that can move our nation forward.

I can only hope that one day the Philippine motorcycle industry will become as important and as dynamic as the local car industry like in Indonesia, where I came from recently. I had a chance to get an overall view of the Indonesian motorcycle industry when I rode a new Yamaha motorcycle model from Jogjakarta and around Java Island to the city of Medan in Sumatra Island in the Yamaha Pan Asean Touring series. With a human population of 222 million and a motorcycle population of 58 million, Indonesia has a human/motorcycle density ratio of 4:1 compared to our country which has 85 million Filipinos and only two million motorcycles, or a ratio of 42:1. Their motorcycle industry sells about five million bikes annually and makes Indonesia the largest motorcycle market in the Asean region. The Philippine motorcycle industry sells only about 550,000 bikes a year but promises a lot of market potential. And as I mentioned earlier, motorcycles maybe the untapped potential to move our economy forward.

Oh, and before I forget, riding a motorcycle is great fun, too! So swing a leg over a bike and ride safely!

 
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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2006, 11:51:51 am »
couldn't agree more!
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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2006, 01:55:03 am »
i'm not a big fan of bikes. BUt what this Jesus Erle sebastian is really bad for TGP readers particularly the bikers. Mr EIC, wont you admit that you are also at fault? If i were the publisher you should be getting the heat by now.

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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2006, 11:40:05 pm »
QUOTE And regardless of weather, riding always saves me between 30 to 60 percent of the travel time compared to driving. I get to where I’m going faster and I can go to more places given the same amount of time. Don’t get me wrong, I love to drive cars but not in our traffic-snarled city streets. Not unless I have to, that is.

How do you manage to accomplish this sir?  I assume you don't overspeed, weave in and out of lanes.... go between lanes and vehicles, etc?

I know educated bikers are disciplined motorists but in manila, they are  still the minority.

I know bikers are entitled to have the same space as a small car but they  easily wave this right when they see the oppurtunity to overtake between lanes when in traffic. 

lastly, I hope using car's bumpers as foot breaks don't become a common habit.

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Re: Jesus Erle Sebastian's "Menaces on Two wheels"
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2006, 03:25:34 pm »
QUOTE And regardless of weather, riding always saves me between 30 to 60 percent of the travel time compared to driving. I get to where I’m going faster and I can go to more places given the same amount of time. Don’t get me wrong, I love to drive cars but not in our traffic-snarled city streets. Not unless I have to, that is.

How do you manage to accomplish this sir?  I assume you don't overspeed, weave in and out of lanes.... go between lanes and vehicles, etc?

I know educated bikers are disciplined motorists but in manila, they are  still the minority.

I know bikers are entitled to have the same space as a small car but they  easily wave this right when they see the oppurtunity to overtake between lanes when in traffic. 

i'll make a wild guest, you don't know how to drive a bike. i bet your skin is so smooth for being under the cage since you've learned how to shift gears. unless we have a bike lane, bikers will, most often than not, overtake given the right opportunity. even puj's or bus for that matter weave thru traffic, bikers pa kaya?

lastly, I hope using car's bumpers as foot breaks don't become a common habit.

didn't quite catch you there but i presume, what you really meant is that you see some bikers putting their foot behind the bumper of a car during stop, is that right? i drive motorcycle 6 days a week and, frankly, i don't think your observation has enough leverage for you to fear that it'll become a common habit.
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