what suv to buy

[myfortuner]

correct, apparently for me not too curious about power since i only use it daily in city, well sometimes going province, why not to try TOYOTA FORTUNER G D4D M/T, it will cost 1,330,000, good resale value, for me is not bad, getting along with 7 adults plus baggage all along to batangas, sisiw, and more comfortably with its aircon vent at the ceiling...

[jaejae]

Sir, Have driven the Sorento, the Santa Fe and Monterosport.

VERDICT:
1. You will LOVE the Korean mades Kia Sorento R eVGT and Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT
2. FORGET anything about the high-profile, all-publicity Mitsubishi Monterosport....

Malayo sir, milya-milya ang ganda ng Sorento at Santa Fe.... Aside from excellent handling in terms of high-speed straight-line stability, high-speed maneouvreing, and high-speed cornering, the engines on these two is UNMATCHED ---- 197 metric-hp that produces a peak torque of 435 Nm from a healthy breadth starting at 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm (700 rpm wide window)....

If you look into the hp-torque-rpm curves of the Monterosport Di-D and GTV models, the older Di-D puts out only a peak torque of 314 Nm at one single spot, and that is at 2000 rpm and then it falls off rapidly to none along the rev range....
....while for the GTV series, you have to WRING-OUT its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg  ) up to a single sweet spot of 3500 rpm just to get 350 Nm of torque and then it falls of rapidly to none along the rev range; at 1800 rpm, this GTV series makes only a measly 250 Nm of torque   ....Samantala 435Nm na ito sa Hyundai Santa Fe at Kia Sorento sir 

Just my 2 centavos sir....

your 2 centavos is short sir....its 350 N.m

[maranello_5775]

based on your posts dtkiko, you're bitter against the popularity of the montero sport

.while for the GTV series, you have to WRING-OUT its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg  ) up to a single sweet spot of 3500 rpm just to get 350 Nm of torque and then it falls of rapidly to none along the rev range;

falls of rapidly to none? hahaha

sir dtkiko please stop fooling around

[Landcraft]

If its not going to be used on dirt just buy a van, its more efficient and you will do the planet a favor.

[Feeter Silverster]

tama ka jaejae, MS sucks. right now naririndi nako sa MS ng kapitbahay namin ang ingay kc.
Peace maranello.

[maranello_5775]

tama ka jaejae, MS sucks. right now naririndi nako sa MS ng kapitbahay namin ang ingay kc.
Peace maranello.

It's okay feeter I respect your views since you're not exaggerating anyway

[dtkiko]

your 2 centavos is short sir....its 350 N.m

How i hope you know how to read torque curves as someone giving advice to people (see orange curve at the 3rd graph):


Also, better yet read what TopGear Phils. Ferman Lao's article has to say about the GTV Montysport, an excerpt of what he mentioned and described en toto: "The 4D56 GTV makes only 250 Nm torque at 1800 rpm, NOT 350 Nm. It only makes 350 Nm at 3500 rpm...."
....Better yet, paki-hanap nalang ito sir and you may tell me kung hindi sinabi ni Mr. Ferman Lao ito. i have a supporting link here with me anyway

My 2 centavos advice sir: AKALA MO TSAMBA AH 

[dtkiko]

based on your posts dtkiko, you're bitter against the popularity of the montero sport

.while for the GTV series, you have to WRING-OUT its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg  ) up to a single sweet spot of 3500 rpm just to get 350 Nm of torque and then it falls of rapidly to none along the rev range;

falls of rapidly to none? hahaha

sir dtkiko please stop fooling around

Just in case you don't understand simple stuff sir, let alone few techy stuff, don't read nalang sir hehe


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[jaejae]

@ feeter sylvester....ay di po sa akin post yun quote ko lang ung sinabi ni dtkiko....i chose MS over the sta. fe and tucson actually....when it comes to power the sta fe and tucson was hard to let go, but when it comes to the REST, MS it is!

@dktiko... sorry sir my bad... never read the whole sentence... but still to me, you talk nonsense and i believe you need to be "regulated" by the mods.... heheheh   no offense

[dtkiko]

@ feeter sylvester....ay di po sa akin post yun quote ko lang ung sinabi ni dtkiko....i chose MS over the sta. fe and tucson actually....when it comes to power the sta fe and tucson was hard to let go, but when it comes to the REST, MS it is!

Kayong mga Monty-boys lang nagsasabi niyan sir jaejae.... NGUNIT, sa totoo niyan sa lahat ng features, lalo na sa:

1. SAFETY to all passengers even at high-speeds; and
2. POWER, TORQUE, SPEED, FUEL-EFFICIENCY
....aside from suspension ang manoeuvring manners, WALANG SINABI ang Monterosport na lumang 4D56 na makinang sinalpakan lang ng VGT at animo'y puros publicity ang Mitsubishi tungkol dito na animo'y sila ang nag-imbento ng VGT

Ewan ko ba pareho naman tayong nakaka-gamit ng Montysport (at may Pajerosport pa dito sa trabajo ko) pero bakit mga Monty boys manghang-mangha samantala sabi nga ng mga drivers nila misis, "parang isang malaking Crosswind lang pala ang Monterosport...." dahil sa ingay din ng makina

@dktiko... sorry sir my bad... never read the whole sentence... but still to me, you talk nonsense and i believe you need to be "regulated" by the mods.... heheheh   no offense

i understand you sir jaejae where you're coming from, it just pains you to realise that there are people here that don't necessarily take what you believe as best is best.... no offense as well....

[jaejae]

heck you really are so annoyingly redundant 

what's with you and the Monty hate fest??   

i will explain it to you as simple as possible so your "5-year old pamangkin" can understand as well...
ganito yun sir:
Safety, Power, Torque. Speed, Fuel-Efficiency, you name it.... we can give it all to Sta. Fe.... but you should consider the difference on those aspects, is there really a big gap?

who cares kung de uling pa yang engine ng Monty what we need is it's reliability and practical performance relative to our lifestyle...
sinabi ba ng Mitsu na sila nag imbento? and again who cares who invented what? what we need is it's reliability and practical performance relative to our lifestyle...
don't think na di namin alam capability and limitation ng Monty, what do you think of us, idiots?? before we bought it, we researched, test drive, asked around, compare and all....it's just we found Monty to suit our NEEDS, and i believe it's the same with those who prefered D-max, Strada, Hi-lux, Sta. Fe. et friggin cetera... and we should respect it...

what's so funny is all along you don't realize that everybody agrees with your details, only that the are not happy how you deliver it....

you fail to acknowledge that there is no such thing as the BEST car.... all have their advantage and disadvantage and it's all up to the buyer which is their preference....

what you do is point out (annoyingly paulit-ulit) all the monty's disadvantage, most are all exagerations by the way....a "big crosswind"?? i owned a 2006 XUVi Crosswind and i don't think that's true....

ano ba ginawa sayo ng Mitsu brad bat ganyan na ang galit mo sa kanila? 

[maranello_5775]

based on your posts dtkiko, you're bitter against the popularity of the montero sport

.while for the GTV series, you have to WRING-OUT its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg  ) up to a single sweet spot of 3500 rpm just to get 350 Nm of torque and then it falls of rapidly to none along the rev range;

falls of rapidly to none? hahaha

sir dtkiko please stop fooling around

Just in case you don't understand simple stuff sir, let alone few techy stuff, don't read nalang sir hehe


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excuse me dtkiko, I'd rather not read ALL YOUR posts not only just your "simple techy stuff"   simply because it's just a waste of time

 I'm not an expert when it comes to technicalities of cars nor I'm an off-road professional as what you claim you are but I can proudly say that I have ETHICS even if its just public forums how 'bout you?

[dtkiko]

heck you really are so annoyingly redundant 

Sir, hindi ka naman galit noh? 

Going back pala, di ba ikaw lang naman nagsasabi dito na the best ang Monty value for money even when it's NOT? ....Aminin fafa 

A lot of you Monty boys are disinforming (not only misinforming) people that it's cheap even when it's not for a jurassic 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT and for the 3.2-litre 4M41 that is actually a weakling when compared to its published specs on paper. You have never been honest each time you guys are figuring out in SUV/CUV comparisons against 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner D-4D and against 2.2-litre Santa Fe R-eVGT's ---- palagi niyong pinagmamalaki at pinagmamayabang ang lumang 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT na animo'y Mitsubishi ang nag-imbento ng VGT

And then i get into the picture of the discussions in which you Monty boys are all in flying-high with your personal ancdotes while not backed up with facts and data to prove what you are all claiming....and then when i present comparos, you all tend to hate me because you can all see in there that what you are all claiming isn't true at all. Much of it are just borne out of your attachment and fanatiscm to your vehicle. you simply don't want someone contesting your claims with facts detest in every forum you're all in.... tsk tsk tsk.

Simple lang naman yan sir eh, kung nais mong sumali sa discussion dapat naman kahit papaano may sinasabi ka sa mga readers and enquirers na tama naman at hindi lang puros personal anecdotes.... i hope you know what i mean by just personal anecdotes in the first place.... and this is why i don't usually quote my own experiences with each vehicle BECAUSE they are subjective in most sense, but do make a point that i use available data, i compute, i analyse based on them to give readers what they can based upon in an informed manner....

For example: when you say mas mabilis ang Monty GTV against the 3.0-litre Fortuner by cruising speed, i have proof that that's not the case. Moreso, against the Santa Fe R-eVGT because i use every available data. In a drag race, however, i do not know ---- you ask me why? Here's my answer, while it's true that the cruising speed of the 3.0 Fortuner D-4D is faster than the Monty GTV, however, when it comes to drag-stripping, the Monty's engine could be revving more freely than the 3.0 Fortuner that's why it goes thru its rev-range much faster than the Fortuner. i don't know in the case against the Santa Fe, on the other hand, if Santa Fe even revs more freely than the Monty GTV in comparison....

i hope you know what i'm pointing out here in a general sense ---- hindi lang lahat pa-pogian yan ng Monterosport at pangit na mga iba.... Dahil sadyang may comento tayo pag ganyan palagi ang usapan....

[jaejae]

tsk tsk tsk.... you still don't get it... tigas mo pare! hahaha       

wala namang kumokontra sa kakayahan ng Sta. Fe pare, read back and you will SEE na agree naman sila kung ano ang Sta. Fe, same with myself... but what's with you and the Monterosport? nabangga ka ba dati ng Montero brad? kahit sinong tanungin mo sasabihin talaga na galit ka sa Montero eh... hehehehe....
simple lang kasi yan pare, ang bumili ng Montero embraced it's plus side against its downsides... vice versa sa case ng bumili ng Sta. Fe or Fortuner....

at tama nang paulit-ulit na "4D56 na sinalpakan ng VGT", nasabi ko na nga na who cares kung de uling na engine yan na sinalpakan ng VGT as long as it gives you what you NEED... you're just making yourself look stupid... you are the one who is misleading the readers....

you can make a poll, ask what do people think about your posts... 

gets mo na bro??

[dtkiko]

Tsk tsk tsk.... Sa totoo lang pare koy ikaw ang maangas, ngunit wala naman palang alam

Basta kada may discussion dito na Monterosport vs. Fortuner o kung ano mang SUV/CUV pa at makita namin uli ng 5-taong gulang kong pamangkin na pa-bida mo naman na may kasama pang kasinungalingan ang Montysport mo with matching "jurassic 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at ipanag-mayabang na ng Mitsubishi na animo'y Mitsubishi ang nag-imbento ng VGT" magkikita tayo sa bawat thread dito.... GARANTISABOG yan pare koy

Nagagalit ka at inis sa akin dahil inpormasyon ang aking mga ipinapakita na gamit mismo ay mga official specs ng bawat sasakyang pinag-uusapan dito at nagpapatunay na may mali sa mga sinasabi mo (tulad nalang ng power, torque at bilis ---- ni-hindi ka na marunong magbasa ng torque curve eh tapos ang lakas ng loob mong magpa-bida  )

Basta dapat sa mga comparison o diskusyon huwag naman na ikaw lang palagi pogi at ang Monterosport mo na may kasama pang hangin, dapat naman pare koy, lahat tayo pogi.... Ayos ba boss jaejae o ayos nalang?