small/mid-sized SUV for urban daily driver?

[dtkiko]

Yes, i forgot to include the 2.0-litre Chevrolet Captiva!

Tumatanda na tayo Sir Mindkinetic ---- and yes, the Captiva is also all-praises like what you mentioned sir! Madaming owners talaga who rave about them.... At napakaliksi ng mga ito wow! 

As the list goes for under PhP1.4 M SUV/CUV:

1. 2.0-litre Hyundai Tucson R-eVGT GL 4WD A/T - PhP1.338 M
2. 2.5-litre Mitsubishi Montero Sport GLX-V 2WD M/T - PhP1.330 M
3. 2.5-litre Toyota Fortuner D-4D G 2WD M/T - PhP1.330 M
4. 2.5-litre Ford Everest TDCi XLT 2WD M/T - PhP1.355 M
5. 2.0-litre Chevrolet Captiva VCDi 2WD A/T - PhP1.385 M

Power and torque are as follows:

1. Tucson 2.0 R-eVGT GL 4WD A/T- 177 ps, 392 Nm from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm
2. Montero Sport 2.5 GLX-V 2WD M/T- 178 ps, 400 Nm at 2000 rpm
3. Fortuner 2.5 D-4D G 2WD M/T - 102 ps, 260 Nm from 1600 rpm to 2400 rpm
4. Everest 2.5 TDCi XLT 2WD M/T - 143 ps, 330 Nm from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm
5. Chervrolet 2.0 VCDi 2WD A/T - 150 ps, 320 Nm at 2000 rpm

Geeze, mukhang mas mainam pa rin pala sa power department, drive-mode, and price-wise ang Tucson amongst them all, but not space-wise, of course. Positive pointers as listed below:

1. The only 4WD amongst them all;
2. It's the cheapest 4WD A/T you will find;
3. The one that gives the most power-to-weight ratio, better than the Montero Sport VGT; and
4. The one that has the highest andwidest spread of peak torque, all 392 Nm of pulling-force over a 700 rpm-window (not just one-spot along the rev-range), i.e. from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm.

What is the Tucson's Euro NCAP rating pala?
....All i know is that it's big-brother 2.2-litre Santa Fe R-eVGT is all 5-star rated under the Euro NCAP safety standards against severe impact where all passengers are protected with air bags all over the interior of the Fe upon collision....

[mindkinetic]

actually sir dtkiko the captiva is pitied against the sta fe your most reffered SUV HEHEHE ( BY MANY REVIEWS INCLUDING TOP GEAR UK).
TO BE MORE OBJECTIVE ABOUT IT, on spec sheet the figure of the tucson and the sta. fe is hard to ignore. however THE CAPTIVA CAN ALSO BE A GOOD CONTENDER IN THIS SEGMENT.
BUT THEN AGAIN IN MY OPINION THE CAPTIVA SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A MIDSIZE SUV LIKE THE STA. FE it is still a compact suv though a 3rd row seat is available. in the u.s.  the captiva is ranked 2nd best affordable compact suv.

[jaejae]

kung urban daily driver nga lang naman pala, choose between tucson and captiva na lang.... and if i were to choose, Tucson ako...

ano na pala nangyari kay TS?

[Feeter Silverster]

The Suzuki Grand Vitara got very good engine but very low resale value, I just saw a pre-owned unit selling at 340k. I could afford it I'm just worried over the comsumption of its V6 engine and parts availability.

[Gelo87]

@dtkiko

How come when i checked the topgear buyer's guide the top-of-the-line tuscon only had 227Nm of torque? And why did you state that the 1.3M Montero had 400Nm of torque, when the most expensive model only had 350Nm of torque? I'm looking at these posts because i'm helping my dad look for a good substitute for his aging 2006 Fortuner, yet the figures you've been showing don't match the specs given by the manufacturers. Where exactly are you getting all this info  

[mindkinetic]

HI GELO,

if you truly wanted to help your dad make the right investment for a suv  I STRONGLY SUGGEST TO EMAIL BOTCHI, THE CONSUMER EDITOR OF TGP. He will be more than willing to assist you even Go with you shopping the vehicle that very well will reflect your Dad's personality and at the same time will deliver astonishing performance and the investment will be for keeps.

however in your inquiry as far as hp and torque , let me tell you this in a very comprehensible manner. the HP is the figure that tells how fast a car can go from point A TO POINT B. TORQUE ON THE OTHER HAND IS THE PULLING FORCE of a car, very much needed when climbing a steep hill or during heavy hauling.

on paper the montero has 176hp  and 350nm of torque. IT IS IMPERATIVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT Torque and power are inescapably linked . NOW TORQUE DROPS AT A CERTAIN RPM, THE RPM IS THE 3RD Component.Torque starts to decrease because the engine cannot breathe. to address this enigma is to design variable system which packs the cylinders with air at all RPM.

IN MY POOR OPINION HEHEHEHEH:

FOR A FULL SIZE SUV GO WITH THE MOTERO SPORTS PREFERABLY THE THE 2012 GLX-V 4X2 MT

FOR A MIDSIZE SUV GO FOR THE HYUNDAI SANTA FE....IT'S SPEC SHEET CAN'T BE UNMATCHED.

FOR A COMPACT SUV GO FOR THE CAPTIVA VCDI 4X2

ALL OF THESE ARE SPORTING A DIESEL ENGINE.
and so the birth of VTI'S AND NOW VGT ENGINES.

[jaejae]

^mawalang galang na po... just want to clarify

please correct me if i'm wrong...

di po ba na FULL sized SUV are like pajero and land cruiser... midsize ang fort, eve at monty?


please enlighten mga experts...

[mindkinetic]

here are the following length and width of the above mentioned SUV(S)

1. 3RD GENERATION PAJERO; LENGTH 4,800MM 189IN (LWB)
                                                            4,220MM 100.2 IN (SWB)

                                               WIDTH  1,875MM 73.5 IN
                                               
                                                 HEIGHT 1,855MM (LWB)
                                                               1,845 MM (SWB)

2.MONTERO SPORTS;  4,695 mm in length
                                 1,815 mm in width
                                 1,840 MM IN HEIGHT

3. FORTUNER; Length   4,695 mm (184.8 in)
                       Width   1,840 mm (72.4 in)
                       Height   1,790 mm (70.5 in)
                       
CONSIDERING THE FIGURES ABOVE ; IT'S MOOT AND ACADEMIC that the pajero is a bigger SUV; this is the reason why the fort and the monty are often classified as midsize SUV.

in addtion the pajero, landcruiser, and safari HAVE TO BE COLLECTIVELY IDENTIFIED AS LUXURY SUV(s) as most media personalities would call it.

having said this; by exterior dimension, the fort and the monty are relatively smaller vs the pajero... this will now make the assumption that the fort and the monty are midsize suv. BUT TRUE ENOUGH WHILE THE PAJERO IS LARGER VS THE FORT OR THE MONTY IT HAS FAILED TO DWARF THE FORT OR THE MONTY.

IT'S ALL ABOUT SEMANTICS SO TO SPEAK to address the fort and the monty to a particular class relative to their lenght, height, and width.

as in my case of mentioning full size for the monty and the fort and midsize for the santa fe is simply to set a category so that the inquirer of this thread will have a clearer appreciation of the  available variants for stricter comparison.

[dtkiko]

@dtkiko

How come when i checked the topgear buyer's guide the top-of-the-line tuscon only had 227Nm of torque? And why did you state that the 1.3M Montero had 400Nm of torque, when the most expensive model only had 350Nm of torque? I'm looking at these posts because i'm helping my dad look for a good substitute for his aging 2006 Fortuner, yet the figures you've been showing don't match the specs given by the manufacturers. Where exactly are you getting all this info

Pare koy, two things only:
1. You might be looking at the Hyundai Tucson gasoline model, not the diesel e-VGT; or
2. That could be an old Hyundai website you were looking at.

There is a new website for Hyundai Philippines and kindly lemme direct you cool guy ---- http://www.hyundai.com/ph/en/showroom/tucson/specifications/index.htm

Should you be so diligent enough to browse the website, PLEASE find the 2.0-litre Tucson R eVGT variant and just do a simple conversion like converting the torque of 40 kg-m to Nm by multiplying 9.81 m/s2, you will find exactly those numbers (392 Nm) posted in there very clearly cool guy.

As for the Mitsubishi Monterosport M/T (M/T means manual-transmission), the peak torque is at 400 Nm at 2000 rpm for the 2.5-litre 4D56 with VGT. The one with the 350 Nm goes for the automatic-transmission or A/T Monterosport with VGT.

ALL OF THESE ARE SPORTING A DIESEL ENGINE.
and so the birth of VTI'S AND NOW VGT ENGINES.

Pards, matagal na ang mga VGT's, marahil siguro nadadala ka lang sa high-profile publicity ng Mitsubishi as if the company was the one that originated it  that's why you were referring to it as "now" VGT engines

Toyota's 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV (engine of the 3.0 Fortuner, Hilux D-4D and Prado) always had the VGT/VNT since 2001 pa pards (yes, year 2001).... When the 3.0-litre Hilux and Fortuner D-4D arrived here in Philippines in 2005 they were already VGT-equipped. Then the Nissan Navara's and the Hyundai Santa Fe's came in just a bit later and they too are already VGT-equipped.

In similar manner, Isuzu Motors Japan was also producing 3.0-litre diesel CRDi engines with VGT's since 2001 and exports them to European cars, namely, Renault of France, Saab of Sweden and Opel of Germany.

[dtkiko]

^mawalang galang na po... just want to clarify

please correct me if i'm wrong...

di po ba na FULL sized SUV are like pajero and land cruiser... midsize ang fort, eve at monty?


please enlighten mga experts...

YES, tama ka sir Jaejae.... It is how they are referred to, the Land Cruisers, specifically the LC200, are categorised as full-size SUV's. The LC200 is 8-seater.

The Monterosport in Philippines/ or Pajerosport in other SE Asian countries, Fortuner are referred to as midsize SUV's.

[mindkinetic]

" Pards, matagal na ang mga VGT's, marahil siguro nadadala ka lang sa high-profile publicity ng Mitsubishi as if the company was the one that originated it  that's why you were referring to it as "now" VGT engines"


actually pards you are very accurate on this. the vgt or vnt-25 (variable nozzle turbine) was actually use in car production since 1989. so talagang matagal n ang technology na ito. i was just pointing out that since Torque starts to decrease when the engine is deprive of air, to correct this quandary is to design variable system which packs the cylinders with air at all RPM.

[jaejae]

^mawalang galang na po... just want to clarify

please correct me if i'm wrong...

di po ba na FULL sized SUV are like pajero and land cruiser... midsize ang fort, eve at monty?


please enlighten mga experts...

YES, tama ka sir Jaejae.... It is how they are referred to, the Land Cruisers, specifically the LC200, are categorised as full-size SUV's. The LC200 is 8-seater.

The Monterosport in Philippines/ or Pajerosport in other SE Asian countries, Fortuner are referred to as midsize SUV's.

....and the Sta. Fe, Captiva, Vitara, Xtrail, CR-V are?  (my guess is either compact SUV or midsize Crossover) correction again please

nakakalito po kasi lagi which is which... 

[ALIEN]

Hi,

I've purchased the TUCSON GL A/T Diesel. I haven't notice this before, but the park brake is by foot which for me sucks  . I've chosen A/T because my left foot is hurts when gout attacks  . Also with the tiny pedal, masakit sa paa 

Another thing that sucks is the sissy busina. Malakas pa busina ng scooter namin. 

Everything else is OK.

[jaejae]

just wait lang sir in time masasanay din kayo 

[ALIEN]

What's a good replacement horn for SUV? What brand and type na kasya behind the grill.