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A real estate broker asks: Montero Sport or Santa Fe?

By Botchi Santos —

 

Hi, Botchi. My wife and I are planning to get an SUV. We are both real estate brokers, and sometimes we need to bring our clients to properties that will entail off-road driving. However, I think 80 percent of the time, the vehicle will just be used for city and highway driving. We are torn between the Mitsubishi Montero Sport and the Hyundai Santa Fe (both 4x2 and automatic). My inclination is toward the 2012 Santa Fe, but I'm hesitant to buy now since I've heard that the new-generation model will be out in the market soon. Will it be worth the wait?

Regards, 

Regie Cua

 

Regie,

Well, I guess your wait is over as Hyundai has finally unveiled their third-generation Santa Fe. It looks really good, really bold and angular, macho and modern unlike the classy but somewhat feminine current-generation Santa Fe. The real issue though is that Hyundai Asia Resources, the local importer for Hyundai, has yet to announce when exactly the local sales of the new Santa Fe will begin. It can be anywhere from three to 18 months away as demand overseas far outstrips Philippine-market demand.

How is it to drive? I can't tell as I have yet to drive one, and it's still a bit too soon to say when I can possibly get behind the wheel of one. I also haven't seen the final specs yet for the new Santa Fe. But I am confident that it will be good, if the current one is anything to go by. It should be even better.

As for the Montero Sport, it's a damn good SUV. Maybe a bit common, but still very capable nonetheless--and value-packed. If you will be doing a bit of off-roading into unknown territory (being a real estate broker), I suggest you get the top-model 4WD variant.

I always tell people that if they know they will be using a vehicle primarily on the road and in the city--and with no performance driving planned--4WD or AWD is useless. But in your case, because you often go to unknown territories with your clients, getting stuck is embarrassing (not to mention it can cause you to lose a sale). Best to get acquainted with how 4WD works so that should you need it, you will know how to use it.

Good luck, God bless and happy driving!

Botchi Santos
Consumer Editor

 

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  • Troy Apr 30 2012 @ 10:01pm
     
    May konting off road e, kaya Montero na. Anong gagawin ng santa fe sa off road? Baka wala pang 1 year napakadami ng nasira dun.
        4
  • 17Sphynx17 Apr 30 2012 @ 10:14pm
     
    Among the two, based on your requirements, then Montero it is.

    But since you have possibility of off-road stints for client trippings, a 4x4 is more ideal for you. But I won't recommend the Montero as the top choice, but rather the Fortuner 3.0 D4D 4x4.

    Good luck in your purchase. Cheers!
        5
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 02:23am
       
      Don't you think that the Fortuner is old already? Considering the updates that it's competitors are receiving? Especially with the engine and it's current price tag. Just look at the spec sheet and price tag of the Toyota Fortuner and Mitsubishi Montero. The Toyota Fortuner 4x4 V Dsl A/T=163 HP versus the Mitsubishi Montero 2.5 GTV 4X4=178HP, then the Toyota Fortuner 4x2 G Dsl M/T=102 HP versus the Mitsubishi Montero GLX 4X2(This is the variant w/o VGT)=136 HP. Then with the price of each model/variant, the Toyota Fortuner 4x4 V Dsl A/T=Php1,719,000.00 versus the Mitsubishi Montero 2.5 GTV 4X4=1,708,000.00, you pay 11K more for something that's old already? Then for the Toyota Fortuner 4x2 G Dsl M/T=Php1,408,000.00 versus the Mitsubishi Montero GLX 4X2(This is the variant w/o VGT)=1,198,000.00, you need to shell out 210K more for something that only puts out 102 HP. I need to admit that the Fortuner was #1 when the Montero wasn't still offered but then again, as time goes by the Fortuner didn't keep up, loosing it's edge among it's competitors in the process. The same will happen for the Montero, if it doesn't do anything to keep up with the demand and updates, it will also loose it's edge. As for the Santa Fe nothing is wrong with it as long as you'll use it more often in paved roads, it won't last in roads like the ones you see in Dakar Rally. It doesn't have the off roading capability the same as with the Fortuner and Montero.
         
      • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 09:32am
         
        manongtaxi, it is not just about those numbers.

        True, the numbers maybe higher for the Monty, but once you reach a certain point, it really drops. I use a monty. And granted at low speeds, it is peppy and strong (not as strong as the Sta Fe though).

        Anyway, the Monty's engine is not as punchy as the Sta Fe's, but definitely more powerful than the 2.5 D4D engine of the Fortuner 4x2. However, if you want to compare it against the 3.0 D4D of the Fortuner, then you are way off already. Even if the numbers are slightly lower, the Fortuner is the better car in this class. And the engine is considerably newer as the the Montero uses the old 4d56 (correct me if I am wrong here) engine that was used in the old L200 strada. It is very reliable but if you just want to bash on age, then the Fortuner is relatively new especially in the engine department.

        I said that option if he wants to opt up to the 4x4 category. But if it is just 4x2, my recommendation would stick to the Montero.

        Hope that clears it up.
            2
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 03:20pm
           
          Actually you're wrong regarding about the information in the 4D56 engine, it was first used in the first generation Mistubishi Pajero(the box type) and with the second generation Mitsubishi Pajero(the one's that came from the gray market) hehehe so it's a little bit older than you think, but Mitsubishi didn't just let it be outdated easily that's why the 4D56 engine first received a CRDi, then a VGT. Right now the 4D56 engine is in its 3RD Generation. Here's the link for the info in 4D56 engine: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Astron_engine). As for the engine of the Toyota Fortuner the 1KD-FTV, I have nothing against it. And to agree with you, it's relatively new, it started in the year 2000. Though the 1KD-FTV is a little bit what we call "alanganin" in our EURO 2 diesel here in the Philippines, though I think the 2KD-FTV is not experiencing that problem (this is the 2.5 variant). Here’s the link for the KD engine: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_KD_engine). But then again don't you think that even in the 4X4 category the 3.0 Fortuner should be considered as a back-up option? Yes, for you the 3.0 Toyota Fortuner may be the best in the midsize sport utility vehicle, but it’s not the “Best Selling Midsize Sport Utility Vehicle†in the market right now. It is the Mitsubishi Montero, basing on the consumer demand. Here’s the article to support my statement: (http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/mitsubishi-philippines-sales-up-19-percent-in-february), so yeah the Fortuner may not be old, but it’s not also the best selling right now in its class. It just received some minor interior and exterior refreshments and a lower ground clearance if my memory serves me right. It was featured here in the website, especially the fake “wood†plastic inside (which all cars have now).

          And just to be clear I'm not a Mitsubishi Fanatic, the car that I really dream of having is the Toyota Landcruiser LC200. So yeah, I'm not picky about the brand, whichever car interests me, everything about it will be taken note of, even it's downsides.
             
          • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 03:43pm
             
            same here sir. I also like the LC200. hehe! =)

            No worries, I think we had somewhat a healthy discussion and not really a fanatic rave/rant.

            With regards to the interior, I do prefer the dash/center console of the Monty over the Fort. However, the rear airconditioning, especially the 2012 model is not even the least bit appealing, the way Mitsu did it. I prefer how they did the 2011 and earlier Monty's.

            That ceiling mounted central ducting looks like it was slapped on there and just covered with ceiling headliner fabric. It not only reduced the headroom in the middle center, but it is just not aesthetically pleasing as it doesn't seem like there was an consideration to design to it anymore.

            Just seemed more strange to me that they did that to the Monty as a quick fix to resolve air conditioning concerns by some potential clients.

            But that's just me.

            Anyway, I would just like to explain a bit why the 3.0 4x4 Fort seems better than the 2.5 4x4 VGT of the Monty. Once you reach 80-100 kph range, the power to overtake/push the vehicle just really seems to drop past 2500 rpm compared to other cars. It still accelerates (dont get me wrong there). But the acceleration is not the same all throughout. I observed this as a Monty owner myself and it might be something that the potential buyer would not be aware of at this point in time.

            But again, we didn't need a 4x4 on our end, so we chose Monty and not Fort or Sta Fe. But that's us.

            Also, I do not subscribe to the rationale of just because it is best selling means it is the logical choice.

            First, the models are encapsulated as a whole, regardless of engine, trim or 4x2/4x4 when they provide the totals for the list of sales. However, I would like to know which sells more as a 4x4 then, the Fort or the Monty? I, as a consumer, would believe the Monty outsells the Fort in the 4x2 segment. However, I am not as keen on that when it comes to the 4x4 category.

            Second, majority of consumer demand may not be similar to what this specific consumer (letter sender) needs. As such, we give our opinions and options. And we do so in a productive manner by giving him our ideas for him if we were in his shoes. (Kind of like why I don't get the downvotes. Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I am wrong, nor does it mean you are if my advice is what he takes. It just means the advice fit his preference better).

            And for the record, although the Monty is more of an off-roader compared to the Sta Fe in its inate characteristics, I would inform you that my shock absorbers in the rear have been replaced (granted under warranty) but this has just been 20,000kms in 1yr and 2 months. I have taken it to rough roads. Not offroading, but just rough roads. I am still inclined to believe it is built tough and the vehicle was subjected to slight extremes that caused hydraulic fluid leaks to the rear shocks.

            Normally, I do drive just city and highway in our cars, but for the Monty, I need to use it for this highway route to the Bicol Region which is just awful. It tends getting beat up a lot and not paved/asphalted properly which caused a lot of uneven surfaces and dips. I would say that in totality, my out of town trips with the Monty is around
            8500kms for going to Southern Luzon, around 3500 kms for Northern Luzon and the rest were good roads of city and highway driving. Northern Luzon roads are typically (for me) better now compared to the South, which wasn't the case 2 years ago.

            Cheers sir! =)
               
            • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 06:32pm
               
              Ah yes, I know what you're saying regarding the 2.5RPM range. I also experience the same thing with the Mitsubishi Pajero Field Master (2.8 Diesel 4M40 engine) and the Isuzu Crosswind (2.5 Diesel 4JA1-L), when I hit beyond the 100 KPH range, it doesn't have that throttle/accelerator response anymore though it is still accelerating. The fastest that I've clocked in the Pajero is 150 km/h in SCTEX during the Holy Week. With 6 passengers (including me) and around 6 luggage of clothing and 2 coleman full of "pasalubong". I've yet to try the Toyota Fortuner, though if I'll buy a Fortuner I would want it to have a Disc brake in the rear, an aircon (like the one they have in the Isuzu Crosswind) in the third row seat, because the last time that I've checked the Fortuner in MIAS 2011 it still have the same aircon in the third row, which is only on the side. And I do hope that it'll make me feel more spacious in the inside, because I'll use it for my often trips in the Bicol Region. The road there will make you feel like you're driving through a course in Dakar Rally because of the unequal asphalted roads, especially the road that bypasses Camarines Norte. I also hope that an "anti-roll bar" could be installed in the Fortuner, if you've driven a Pajero, you'll know that having an "anti-roll bar" is a big thing during entering and exiting a curve. I may also go through some "medium" and "hard" offroading, the one that doesn't have a road at all or that have some few patches of cement that they call road. So, in the near future I do hope that Toyota will realize that this upgrades would really help the Fortuner not only as a best in its class but also best selling. Kinda disappointed with them because they lowered the ground clearance of the Fortuner. I also agree with you regarding with the roads in Northern Luzon compared in the South. That's why inexperienced "Northern" drivers needs to be careful when they'll drive in the South, especially in Bicol. It have more curves and banks, compared to the ones you'll drive throught Tarlac all the way up. It's just a flat, asphalted straight road. And not to forget to mention, one of the reasons i'm kinda confident with Mitsubishi regarding their offroading capabilities, is their knowledge in WRC and DAKAR Rally, winning the Dakar Rally 12 times, and 4 times in the WRC. Though Toyota is famous for giving you confidence and assurance in exploring the Australian Deserts and it's vast open space, that's why I dream of having either the latest Pajero or the 2012 refreshed model of the Landcruiser LC200.
                 
              • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 10:50pm
                 
                Sir, the 2012 Pajero is available already here in our market, check it out if you want.
                   
            • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 10:48pm
               
              Just to ask sir sphynx, does your Monty unit the VGT-equipped or the previous monty engine?
                 
              • 17Sphynx17 May 02 2012 @ 06:18am
                 
                VGT equipped =).
                   
              • manongtaxi May 02 2012 @ 02:16pm
                 
                The thing about the Pajero that baffles me, is it really true that there is a 4M41 2nd Generation with VGT? Check this link out: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_4M4_engine) and I think an article was also written here in the website regarding the rumor.
                   
              • Kyoichi Sudo May 03 2012 @ 07:32pm
                 
                ah ok =)
                   
    • KERSMcPherson May 01 2012 @ 09:40am
       
      if Im one of his clients, he'll surely lose a sale if we're going to ride with a Fortuner- well that's just me.. ^_^
          2
    • car_mac May 01 2012 @ 10:56am
       
      i don't trust the ability of the fortuner when we went to tagaytay, its turbo lacks power when its going uphill, so the loss of turbo caused the fortuner to slide backwards. It was a 2.5 G Manual Transmission 2010 Fortuner
         
      • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 10:57am
         
        You pertained to the 2.5 D4D, I am pertaining to the 3.0 D4D 4x4 sir. It is significantly a better engine than the 2.5.

        That is why if you read my comment, you will see than I added if the choice goes to a 4x4, then it would be the 3.0 D4D engine. But if 2.5 D4D, it is Monty for my recommendation.

        Cheers!
            2
      • dohc_ivtec May 11 2012 @ 02:44am
         
        Ang alam ko wala naman talagang turbo ung 2.5G.
           
    • RS500 May 01 2012 @ 07:12pm
       
      Three years ago I had a Toyota Fortuner 2.5 Diesel. I sold it together with my Pajero DiD. After that we bought gasoline cars instead. We experienced several problems with our diesel cars which includes stalling and black smoke. We calculated our total expenses in owning a diesel vehicle and compared it with the gasoline counterpart. In the end, we ended up buying gasoline fed cars.

      As for the Fortuner, I haven't driven the 4x4 variant because the 4x2 model is enough for me. I don't need too much power as I only drive in the city. It will make more sense if I pass highways on the way to work. But here in Edsa, why would someone need 170 horsepower in traffic jams? Some say it is essential for power-to-weight ratio that affects fuel consumption. It is the reason why my CRV is a 2.4 liter and not the 2.0. Going back, I find the engine of the Fortuner suited for its weight. It is underpowered compared to the Montero Sport but atleast I get a good fuel consumption.
         
      • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 09:45pm
         
        If you've read one of sir botchi's segment right car wrong car i think, the avanza was also noted that it have a small/underpowered engine. And having a small/underpowered engine in a big body would only result in a bad fuel consumption, anyway are you referring to the pajero right after the field master? Because for the past 11 years with my field master, the only parts that I need to repair/replace was the intercooler's auxiliary fan (needed to shell out a few hundreds), the air filter (around 800 pesos every 2yrs) and a repair in the aircon( not more than 4-6k) and a new set of whole set of shock absorbers (which required 63K even though only one broke out). What can you say about the CR-V's fuel consumption? How far or what does your odometer show you when the tank goes empty? I've been hesitating about the cross over's capability to show that they can really stretch one full tank.
           
        • RS500 May 03 2012 @ 10:43pm
           
          Yes my previous Pajero is the 2011 model. The field master was a tough vehicle and same for the new Pajero. When my car broke, I wasn't blaming Mitsubishi for their workmanship. It is the dirty diesel we have. I hope you don't mind that I don't post technical details about my car. Honestly, I don't know a lot of terms about cars and I just follow the periodic maintenance assigned by the manufacturer.

          My CR-V 2.4L does 543 km in one full tank. Averaging 7.8km/l during light to moderate traffic. Worst fuel consumption was 6.3 km/l last Christmas. Highway at 110kph does 12.2 km/l. I think the ASX has better figures than this but then it should be as the ASX is smaller and lighter.
             
          • manongtaxi May 05 2012 @ 06:22pm
             
            Yes the ASX is smaller than the CR-V and I think its also a little bit smaller than the lancer although the difference can't really be noticed. The ASX also uses a CVT, I'm not sure though when will Honda start using CVT transmissions for their automatic variants, the last time Honda used a CVT here in the PH market is in the Honda City i-DSi 1.3 ( the cvt simulates a 7 speed transmission i think).
               
            • RS500 May 05 2012 @ 08:40pm
               
              Some say that Honda's CVTs were problematic (parang Stig lang eh noh?). In terms of driving dynamics, the ASX wins in it. But in terms of space, practicality, and interior ergonomics, CRV is my best choice.
                 
              • manongtaxi May 06 2012 @ 08:28pm
                 
                Yes, I think Top Gear already took note of that, Honda's CVT is still a little bit fragile. I think the ASX was based in the Lancer platform that's why its driving dynamics are one of the best, it also have the same engine with the Lancer, which is 4B11. Anyway, I really do hope our fuel here in the Philippines will improve and be certified as "ultra low sulphur" or at least EURO 4 or 5 standard. I want the diesel ASX and the CRV here, the 1.8 ASX diesel and the 2.2 diesel CRV, which is only available in Europe and North America.
                   
    • DePendot May 02 2012 @ 10:48am
       
      nakahanap si 17Sphynx17 ng katapat. sa pahabaan ng reply. hehe. peace paps :-D
         
      • 17Sphynx17 May 02 2012 @ 01:56pm
         
        Haha! I welcome it sir. =) I like healthy discussions. Kahit si sir dtkiko nagkausap kami ng maayos naman sa isa sa mga comment section before in an article a year ago I think. =)

        Cheers! =) I take no offense in your comment. =)
           
      • manongtaxi May 02 2012 @ 02:17pm
         
        Mabuti na yun kaysa si hyundaibest kausap mo :))
           
  • windel Apr 30 2012 @ 11:28pm
     
    You can also try the ford everest 3.0 4x4 sir.
        1
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 03:23pm
       
      The Ford Everest can also be considered as an option, but it's just a Ford Ranger Pick-Up converted into a SUV. You can see this by it's rear suspension, it's a Leaf Spring Suspension. Just like the Isuzu Alterra, it's just a D-MAX converted into a SUV.
         
      • Fernando Amorsolo May 01 2012 @ 06:03pm
         
        And the Montero Sport also sprung from??
        STRADA. A pick up converted to an SUV.
        Fortuner: from HILUX.

        So I think, there's not "BUT" or "PERO" in the case of the Everest, because, the three MIDSIZE SUV were of the same structure.
           
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 06:54pm
           
          My mistake, thanks for reminding me. I forgot that ONLY the FIRST GENERATION Mitsubishi Montero was based in the SECOND GENERATION Mitsubishi Pajero. The same goes for all the MID-SIZE SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES out there. 2ND GENERATION MONTERO=STRADA, FORTUNER=HILUX, ALTERRA=DMAX and EVEREST=RANGER.
             
  • lord_cykb24 Apr 30 2012 @ 11:43pm
     
    for me you better choose the Mitsu Monty, then since you're a real estate broker, then you want to ride along with you're client to check the area in the were it will need off-roading capabilities then better get the GTV variant or if you're a purist then I'll recommend the GLS V 4x4 MT..... base on my experience the Mitsubishi after-service in not really sucks at all and I do really admire their customer satisfaction. And the important is Mitsubishi's parts were really available in the market unlike Hyundai, according to my friends who owns one, the parts were not available in their stock room It should be ordered to South Korea and it will arrived around 2 months or even more...!!! Even their side mirror were not made available in the casa and it should be ordered place pa to Korea..!!! geez that's what you called after-service satisfaction...??? Even though if you owned Mitsubishi MS and you feel that you don't have the bragging rights because it floods in our street right now. That shows you MOnty's were worth to have one in our garage.....
       
    • Troy May 01 2012 @ 01:24pm
       
      Napakahirap pala talaga kapag hyundai ang sasakyan mo. Tsk.
         
      • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 03:27pm
         
        Hindi naman mahirap pag HYUNDAI ang sasakyan mo, talagang nagkataon lang na lahat ng natanggal na car executives and car designers and engineers ng BMW, MERCEDES BENZ, VOLKSWAGEN, etc., ay napunta sa HYUNDAI, tapos inapply nila experience nila sa HYUNDAI kaya ayun nag BOOM sa ibang car markets. Lumakas ang demand, kaya ang Pilipinas medyo late sa pag receive ng units kasi maliit lang ang CONSUMER DEMAND AND MARKET. Katulad na lang ng Honda, di nila mailabas ang HONDA CR-V nila na Diesel dito. Kasi siguro malakas demand nito sa ibang market at EURO 2 pa lang gasolina dito sa Pilipinas.
           
        • RS500 May 01 2012 @ 07:00pm
           
          Euro 2 lang kasi ang pilipinas kaya walang Honda diesel dito. Masisira lang image nila pag naglabas sila dito ng diesel sabay puro complaints ng maitin na usok and engine stalling.
             
          • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 10:25pm
             
            Yup, mentioned it in my comment. Though I heard that Total is giving us EURO 4 grade fuel? Bosch is the supplier of diesel injectoris in HONDA'S diesel engine in the CR-V. I also talked to one of the guys in the mitsubishi booth in the MIAS 2011. They told me that the diesel engine of the ASX won't agree with the diesel here in the Philippines.
               
  • ryanjoseph24 May 01 2012 @ 01:00am
     
    hintayin mo na yng hyundai santa fe. kc yng montero super common na sya. pati yng montero yng loob pare2ho lng kahit top of the line pa sya. hehehe
        2
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 03:29pm
       
      Di naman mahalaga kung super common ang kotse, ang importante yung functionality. Oo common yung Montero, pero common ito dahil nafufulfill nito ang requirements nung gumagamit. Tignan mo na lang ang Toyota Vios, kahit super common na madami pa din bumibili kasi nafufulfill nito yung needs ng gumagamit.
         
      • maranello_5775 May 01 2012 @ 08:21pm
         
        well said
           
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 10:34pm
           
          @maranello_5775: Doesn't really matter naman kung super common na kotse mo diba? Ang importante nasulit mo bawang singkong duling na ginastos mo.
          @ryanjoseph24: Supercommon yan santa fe sa mga high end communities at condominiums, but then again baka mas high end pa kaysa sa santa fe meron nila.
             
      • ryanjoseph24 May 02 2012 @ 09:54am
         
        masyado namn ang reduntant ng nafufulfill mo sir baka mafeel mo na yan. hehehe. peace. :)
            1
        • manongtaxi May 02 2012 @ 02:19pm
           
          Learned it from Barney Stinson from How I met your mother haha sometimes you need to be redundant in order for you to put emphasis in your point.
             
          • ryanjoseph24 May 05 2012 @ 12:32am
             
            hnd ko namn kailangan ng super emphasis mo sir tama lng namn yng isa word lng kc naka2intindi namn tyo dto sir. hehehe
               
  • borikyo May 01 2012 @ 02:23am
     
    Subaru Forester
       
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 02:25am
       
      a wild card entry perhaps?
         
    • lord_cykb24 May 01 2012 @ 03:49pm
       
      gas guzzler
         
      • RS500 May 01 2012 @ 06:59pm
         
        No.
           
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 10:35pm
           
          Tried one already? What can you say about it's fuel consumption, need real experience.
             
    • gogogo May 01 2012 @ 04:18pm
       
      pwede. kaya lang gusto ata ng letter sender 7-seater para mas marami siyang clients na madadala. hehehe
         
    • DePendot May 02 2012 @ 10:42am
       
      agree!
         
  • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 02:41am
     
    actually, the 4x4 Santa Fe is good in off-roads as well according to some reviews on the net. The thing is, the Santa Fe looks a lot better driven on the pavement than on dirt.

    Since you did say 80% of the time is on the city then might as well go for the Santa Fe. I doubt you will go on a extreme off-road unless you are selling a house at the top of the mountains of Baguio.hehe

    Oh and on a side note, as a real estate broker, impressing clients will by far go better with the Santa Fe because it is much more luxurious looking and elegant than the Montero and it isn't that common as well compared to the latter. The Montero looks more rugged and beefy, more for the 'architects' rather than the 'interior designers.'

    Lastly, I heard that the new Santa Fe will be more powerful than the current one so it can mean that it will sacrifice fuel consumption, but damn it looks good. It has a modern and 'cool' look to it as well as aggressive. Though I heard that it will be release late this year and one variant will be released early next year. You can try and wait for that fillet minon to be served, or if you're really hungry go for the hamburger. Meaning, you can wait for the better tasting Santa Fe or settle and be content with the current one..
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    • car_mac May 01 2012 @ 10:58am
       
      Yeah !! but its not an off roader
         
      • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 11:21am
         
        It doesn't really matter because, again, I doubt he will be going on extreme hardcore off-road. He is a real estate broker who probably sells condos in the city or houses in pavement villages, not 'bahay kubos' in farms or on the mountains. I bet even though the roads may be dirt, it won't be extreme. I have a Honda City and I used it 'off-road' on dirt and rocky roads but still it got me from point A to point B without damages. I'm assuming the 'off-road' he means is dirt roads with a few rocks that are about to be cemented, not 3 ton rocks and rivers to cross in the jungle.

        What he should consider is his image as a real estate broker so that he can easily sell his estates with ease. A man and his gadgets - that includes his vehicles - show a lot to who he is personally and what he can achieve. Not that the Montero can't do that, but the Santa Fe shows a lot more. Like I said, the Montero is more for the 'architect' and the Santa Fe is more for the 'interior designer' meaning he is selling something elegant and grand - the condos and houses - so image means a lot more.
           
        • car_mac May 01 2012 @ 11:39am
           
          hyundais are not yet reliable on mild offroading, even potholes nga nakakasira ng suspension eh off road pa kaya. what i am trying to say is that potholes can damage the suspension.
             
          • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 11:48am
             
            potholes can damage the suspension, any suspension for that matter mapa santa fe ka man or montero pero it won't damage it agad like lets say the first pothole you hit wasak na sya. It will probably take 50 or more pothole hits to damage the suspension at un ay kapag mabilis at mabigat pagtama mo sa butas. Kung maingat ka sa pagmamaneho at gusto mo ingatan sasakyan mo, hindi ka rarat-rat kapag may butas sa harap. siyempre dahan dahan ka lang. Santa Fe's are able to go on mild off-roading pero hindi extreme off-roading. I've driven my Honda City on occasional off-roads and the suspension is still fine. Honda City lang un ah. How much more kaya an SUV that is made to be able to go on dirt roads.
               
            • Troy May 01 2012 @ 01:26pm
               
              Honda yun e. Iba padin ang honda sa hyundai.
                  1
            • gogogo May 01 2012 @ 09:22pm
               
              maganda kasi talaga suspension ng honda. kaya nga siya naging "most pothole resilient brand" eh. hehehe :)
                  1
          • jayzeter19 May 01 2012 @ 01:36pm
             
            i have a question.. do you own a current hyundai??? evidence?? My Family owns an SF we currently drive it on Ilocos know the roads there??? its like hell but the SF is still in good shape btw... its 2 yrs old now and still doesn't break down
               
            • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 02:29pm
               
              I have full confidence on the Santa Fe because a lot of people praise it and prefer it compared to its alternatives. You, jayzter19, are just a few with proof that Santa Fe's can be reliable because of your personal experience.

              People underestimate the Santa Fe because its a Korean car. Yes parts may be limited, but that's only temporary. Of course Hyundai will have to meet the needs and demands of their costumers or else they face downfalls on their sales. Statistics show that people are not stopping on buying Hyundai cars despite the fact of limited parts because I, and everyone else knows that Hyundai will be reliable and practical and whatever problems they face, they will solve it ksi pinagdaanan na rin yan ng Mazda or Ford or even BMW and yet they met the needs of their customers.
                 
            • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 10:59pm
               
              Sir, you're one lucky guy! Your Santa Fe didn't broke down on intermediate off-roads? My tito had a lot of expenses w/ his 2011 Santa Fe 4WD because it keeps on broking-down whenever he's gonna go on off-road stuff(the one w/ big rocks and unpaved roads, not the off-road that means the road isn't cemented)that's why he traded it for a Montero Sport GTV last December 2011. He's now on CAR, busy doing the good stuff w/ his GTV.
                 
        • gogogo May 01 2012 @ 04:47pm
           
          kung image lang naman pala yung importante eh bat di na lang siya bumili ng cx-9, pajero, explorer or prado? kahit alin yung piliin niya eh may clients yan na hindi type yung santa fe at meron din hindi type yung montero kaya hindi totoo na mas maganda image mo pag naka santa fe ka. may kilala nga ako innova yung sasakyan pero sobra dami niya clients na mayayaman. hindi naman niya kailangan ng mas mukhang luxurious na sasakyan.
              1
          • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 05:33pm
             
            kasi magastos ang cx-9, pejero, explorer o kaya prado. they are far more expensive and costly to maintain. Santa Fe and Montero are much more practical and cost efficient alternative than the latter.

            malaking bagay din ang image kasi kung maayos ka tignan, it means you care which has an effect on your clients and leaves lasting impression on them. lalapit ka ba sa isang broker kung naka shorts lang sya or tshirt? or lalapit ka ba kung magulo buhok nya or mukhang di pa naliligo? malamang hindi. kaya kailangan may lasting impression ka kung hindi magdadalwang isip client mo.

            Ung kilala mo who has an innova is a practical person who wins his clients over personality rather than charm. Ang mga ganong tao ay hindi ganun ka common ngayon. That kind of person is worth of praises and handshakes. Its either that person spends his earnings on his families well fare rather than his personal wants kaya hindi sya gumagastos sa pricier na sasakyan or hindi sya interesado na magupgrade. kung nag upgrade sya, baka lang mas dadami pa clients nya at baka lang mas madami sya ma close na deal. Your success in life shows with what you have.

            Im not judging, it's a general fact in life and if people open their eyes they can see that in the person.

            so basically, sometimes personality doesn't win over your clients. minsan kailangan ma please mo sila with their eyes by having something that will make them think differently.

               
    • Fernando Amorsolo May 01 2012 @ 06:13pm
       
      Just my analysis: I think by claiming that the New SAnta Fe is "more luxurious, looking elegant than MS.." sir, that is just subjective. YES, in your taste, the New SAnta Fe is "more luxurious, looking elegant than MS..". But, hey, you cannot tell that most of the people will agree in that statment. Right? What is beautiful for you maybe *gly to me. So as for that portion, let's just give it up to the letter sender which is better looking.

      Also, I don't think, by seeing the owner owning a Santa fe could impress clients, I don't think so.If some Japanese Brand lunatic is a customer of this broker, would you think he would be impressed by this? I mean, same thing as what I said. it's subjective.
         
      • bvnzn May 01 2012 @ 06:50pm
         
        I am speaking in general terms and in terms of others used to describe the Santa Fe. And yes I agree that I am speaking with my own opinion of the car, too. Being subjective means having a personal opinion, a personal thought of something and that is what I and the majority of the people replying to this article is doing - having an opinion and having my own preference.

        My motive is not to deceive people into thinking that one is better than the other. Like what you have realized from what you've read, I gave out a personal thought - an opinion - to try and help the one buying just like the people who reply to this article. Others may say that the Montero is better in one way or another, others the Santa Fe. That is them, this is me. And that is why freedom of speech exists.

        In one way or another, a client can be impressed by what car he drives. If wearing a long sleeve polo with a tie, with or without a coat can impress a client, how much more with the things he has? A well made out resume without any rips, or folds, or stains can impress the interviewer, how much more if he puts it in a folder to show that he cares. What I'm saying is, success is seen with the things you have either a nice looking car or a happy family. With that said, it leaves a lasting impression on the person you are addressing to.

        As for the 'Japanese Brand lunatic,' yes because he is a lunatic and yes because he too has his own opinion. Good for him, good for me.
            1
  • aldy888cbu May 01 2012 @ 08:46am
     
    Word of caution on the hyundais, my brother recently spent around P100,000 on his Sta. Fe
    aircondition. It seems their aircon, unlike other brands, don't have replaceable parts, you have
    to buy the whole assembly. What a waste just when I thought hyundais are good to buy, well
    be quick to sell before the 5 years warranty end
       
    • rarq23 May 01 2012 @ 12:45pm
       
      what's the year model of the sta. fe of your brother? even 4x split-type home airconditioning won't cost that much...
          1
    • aldy888cbu May 02 2012 @ 08:26am
       
      Oh yes it did, unbelievable isn't it, i bet a lot of ppl don't know it yet. I thought of buying an accent
      hatchback but this gave me the chills. It's a 2006 model, a few months off warranty when it
      broke down.
         
  • markdejesus76 May 01 2012 @ 09:22am
     
    Doesn't matter what SUV you pick from the two. You drive in city a lot so Santa Fe is a good choice. If you need to go off-roading, well if you mean real off-road not just unpaved roads, then you need the Montero. Kung light off-roading lang naman, pwede na sa Santa Fe. If considering the Fortuner, safe choice lang.
        1
  • roadrage May 01 2012 @ 09:26am
     
    The difference on the off-road capabilities of the two vehicles doesn't really matter because letter sender isnt going to hard core off-roading. That cancels the only advantage Monty has got over the Sta Fe. But better if he can wait for the newer model coming very soon.
        1
  • KERSMcPherson May 01 2012 @ 09:47am
     
    Get the Montero, You're both a real-estate broker and SOON there will come a time you'll need a vehicle for each of you. Besides, HARI is having problem with supply. Isn't it that they stopped accepting deposits (temporarily)? Waiting for an SUV with no definite date as to its availability is the same as letting go of potential clients by yourself.
       
  • mindkinetic May 01 2012 @ 10:52am
     
    most likely than not by mentioning "off road" by the letter send doesnt neccesarily mean hardcore and tough terrain. perhaps the nomenclature "off road " here means rough road in a once in awhile trips to a developing property. in this case a 4x4 or awd is not a neccesity. i have an abundant experience in traversing rough roads some may even be considered tough but my 4x2 suv is more than able to carry me through. the santa fe can easily be brought anywhere i tell you . on the pavement or even in rough and forsaken road even in 4x2 guise. however since the profession of the lettersender requires to bringing prospects from one project to the next, loading the suv will be a very common activity. in this regard the montero truck- base suv will be a formidable ally in trips to properties undergoing development. for this comparo the montero is the best option even at 4x2 variant . happy buying
       
    • mindkinetic May 01 2012 @ 10:55am
       
      erratum : by mentioning "off road" by the letter sender.,,"
         
  • nestortinam May 01 2012 @ 11:20am
     
    HONDA CRV!!!
        2
    • car_mac May 01 2012 @ 11:40am
       
      mas offroadable pa yata yan kesa sa santa fe
          1
      • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 08:46pm
         
        Yeah, my tito bought one and it was so fantastic off-road!
            1
  • car_mac May 01 2012 @ 11:42am
     
    You can go for the Montero because of much more resale value. Not firm suspension and has a quality performance regarding its large wheelbase.
       
  • neutral May 01 2012 @ 11:43am
     
    Montero for now but Sta. Fe when the 3rd gen arrives. The present Sta. fe does not look aggressive and it is like a minivan not an suv. It has low ground clearance, wide track and a short overall length which is unlikely for a seven seater suv. The new Sta. Fe looks better and more masculine with two different versions(5 seater & 7 seater). The body and engines are different too and hopefully these 2 versions will be offered here in our country. Buy the montero for now but the waiting list might be for around 3 months and decide later if you still interested with the new sta. fe.
       
  • rarq23 May 01 2012 @ 12:20pm
     
    Pick any 4WD of the two but just change to off-road tires if you're going to some medium to heavy off road paths. You should also try the Subaru Forester, it is very quiet inside due to good cabin design plus the silent gas boxer engine. You will need to hear each other while you're pitching for the sale and a quiet cabin will be a good advantage. Forester 2.5 consumes a lot of gas on city driving though and you might not be able to bring his/her whole family as it is only a 5-seater. The Subaru XV is also another option as it has almost everything that the Forester offers but it has a CVT transmission that would mean fuel savings for long trips.
       
  • torquebender May 01 2012 @ 01:50pm
     
    hey, why not try the ford everest?
        1
    • BOOGIECAT May 01 2012 @ 09:04pm
       
      Luma nayan..Baka sa 2014 pa new Everest!
         
    • barry May 08 2012 @ 12:37pm
       
      luma? i don't think so. hehebaka next year, magkaroon ng milagro. let's just wait.
         
  • rdjl_13 May 01 2012 @ 03:32pm
     
    This is my opinion. He doesn't need a car that can go "real" offroading but if he'll choose a 4x4 SUV, I'll go for the Fortuner. Comparing it to the Montero, the numbers are negligible. It boils down to the looks and that's why I chose the Fortuner. For me, it looks better. And by the way, suspension on the Fort is fixed on the new one. But if he will choose a 4x2, I'll wait for the new Santa Fe. If he can't wait, the current Santa Fe will do.
        1
    • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 03:48pm
       
      Hi sir, I know of two new Fort owners. One has the previous gen, and the other has a current gen. They both have ridden with me or with someone who owns a Monty and they definitely tell me that the ride comfort of the Monty is somewhat better compared to the Fort. But theirs is the 4x2 model. But I am hesitant to think that they have made significant changes to the 4x2 against the 4x4 ride.

      Power is of course a different matter. But I agree that the 3.0D4d is not a laggard as some generalize Fort to be.
         
      • rdjl_13 May 01 2012 @ 04:02pm
         
        Hello sir! We own a 4x4 Fortuner (2007). I am not saying that the ride comfort is better on the Fort. I'm just saying that the ride improved compared to the previous generation (based on reviews). When it comes to power, it never failed us. :D
            1
        • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 04:08pm
           
          Ah, misunderstood then. My apologies.

          And yes, I understand that in terms of power, the 3.0 d4d will not fail the driver/owner. =)

          Cheers! =)
              1
          • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 06:47pm
             
            You'll also know when an engine is capable if you can easily execute an overtake without you hesitating even you're fully loaded, a first gen fortuner showed this when i was driving to bicol (pajero 2.8 4M40), we were both fully loaded and as i overtake, it just follows on.
               
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 06:42pm
       
      Yes, some may consider the differences between the Toyota Fortuner and Mitsubishi Montero negligible. After all what matters most is that the car we chose makes us drive more and enjoy it, though for some like me, I'll first check the spec sheet and price tag. Then check the interior and exterior, then the engine, suspension, etc., and to be honest I'd love the Fortuner if Toyota will make more upgrades, so that it won't be left behind in the competition.
         
  • Fernando Amorsolo May 01 2012 @ 06:01pm
     
    Ayoko ko na mag explain

    My Vote Goes to MONTERO SPORT. Ang linaw naman na ng Requirements and needs ng Client.
    WILDCARD: Fortuner or Everest

    THAT'S IT.
       
    • barry May 08 2012 @ 12:40pm
       
      basta ako, ford everest parin ako. no matter what. luma na kung luma. no offense to others. importante, i enjoyed driving it on the winding roads on the province. so enjoyable!
         
  • John Rigor May 01 2012 @ 06:10pm
     
    This is going to be one long thread again. :))

    Well, I think the Santa Fe suits them. If he's going to use it for highway and road driving, it is much more refined, comfortable, spacious and powerful. The old one is good enough.

    About Hyundai quality, I don't really think they make unreliable cars. In my opinion, they are at par with those from Japan. It's just that people keep on pointing out issues that normally comes with abuse.
        1
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 07:09pm
       
      The quality of Korean cars have greatly improved, I think the reason behind this is that the fired workers in BMW and other european carmakers were hired back by Hyundai. That's why if you'll carefully look around there design, you can see that there is a hint of influence in their design.
          1
  • dhryfusc May 01 2012 @ 06:37pm
     
    Base of my experience as realtors. . . . Im using 2.5 fortuner . . . . Mostly my clients love to ride 2.5 fortuner becoz of tahimik ang makina, ako mismo di nagpapatakbo ng mabilis kasi nga may kliyente to see the area. . . About sa tagtag i used" o sulee cushion". . 30 percent ang nawala sa tagtag ng rides ko . . . The bottom lines the clients di nila tinitingnan kung ano ang sasakyan mo ang importante sa kanila ung binebenta ko. . . . According to the letter sender. . . Choice according to your heart. . . Both cars are good. . . .
       
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 06:57pm
       
      Agree, basta malinis and organized ang loob ng kotse mo. Tapos yung labas wag mo lagyan ng kung anu anong borloloy o kaya sticker, yung kotse lang mismo maganda na.
         
    • gogogo May 01 2012 @ 09:13pm
       
      napapansin ko rin sa mga clients ng kaibigan ko majority toyota(fortuner, innova, lc200) yung sasakyan. hahaha!
         
      • Kyoichi Sudo May 06 2012 @ 12:33pm
         
        Sa SMDC maraming honda(civic) at mitsu(montero at lan ex gta)
           
  • dhryfusc May 01 2012 @ 06:51pm
     
    Being a realtor to have a good rapport to the clients. Rapport will be started in your meeting place, it will continue in travelling to the area, to see the area formally and it well end in travelling back to the area where u meet. I never over speed coz it will create hustle or bottom line,no close deal happened.
       
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 11:04pm
       
      Yeah, my mom uses our 2000 Adventure Sport in meeting the clients of her managers and yet the clients say that we're one lucky persons because of our Adventure that is super reliable
         
  • RS500 May 01 2012 @ 06:55pm
     
    Nice discussion 17Sphynx17 and manongtaxi. It is nice to see opinions from car owners themselves. Most of the users here are only spec-sheet "readers" and bases their opinion from it. In the end, the true experience of driving and owning a car matters.

    As for the topic, I'd take the Santa Fe. I've personally driven both vehicles (Friend's Santa Fe and cousin's Montero Sport) and the Santa Fe is more suited for city driving. The ride is perfect and space isn't a problem. The Montero Sport is also good choice but considering I own a 2010 Honda CR-V, I find the front legroom tighter than my Honda. The dashboard layout isn't also my type but this is normal considering its price. But again, that is just my observation. I like the Montero Sport for its ruggness and ability to carry bulky items. A pick-up can also do that but it is a plus point for this SUV. In all honest though, the Montero Sport is the safest choice. I'll admit that I'm still bias on Korean cars when it comes to reliability. Maybe I'll consider Korean cars after a few more years.
       
    • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 07:05pm
       
      Haha just a car enthusiast like all other commenters here, I would also like to thank fernando amorsolo for reminding me that the 2nd generation mitsubishi montero is based on the strada/triton. Regarding the quality of Korean cars, you don't need to worry about it, I once owned a Kia Besta, the 2.7 Diesel engine was great. Sturdy, reliable and kinda did some few tweaks in the engine so that it'll be more fuel efficient, though the aircon sucks. One full tank of diesel in the besta lasted more or less 2 weeks, the daily trip included from batasan going to bf homes qc, then to up village in claret school qc and annapolis greenhills in san juan then to e.rodriguez in de los santos hospital then back home.
         
      • RS500 May 01 2012 @ 07:20pm
         
        Thanks for sharing your experience. Actually I'm just afraid to buy newly released cars. For me it is better to wait and see if it is reliable. As for Korean cars, there are some that I trust like the Kia Besta and especially the Hyundai Starex. I can still encounter previous Starex models on the road and still in perfect condition. Sadly though, its been a long time since I saw a well maintained Kia Besta. I hope yours is in top condition.
           
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 08:46pm
           
          Well it was in top condition when I sold it to my friend, I had it installed 16'' tires the ones that they use for light trucks. Most of the Kia Besta that you'll see now is either a school bus or a gt express in the provinces. It can fit 16 people inside including the driver, though I think the compressor/blower for the aircon is small for its size, especially the radiator. Though i didn't experience any overheating problems during my 4 yr use with it.
             
        • John Rigor May 02 2012 @ 08:27pm
           
          I agree with the durability of the Besta and the Starex.

          The only problem we had with the Besta was its aircon and it's underpowered (we used to have a 2.2 one) While for the Starex is the brake calipers, which were replaced after 10000km. Other than that, it's smooth sailing for both cars.
             
          • manongtaxi May 02 2012 @ 11:48pm
             
            The variant of Kia Besta that I previously owned was the 2.7 Diesel variant, it didn't have a timing belt, instead it has a timing chain. Yes, even in the 2.7 Diesel variant the air-con sucks, I need to replace the air filter every year, have the condenser cleaned and it's auxiliary fan fixed (it's location is the same with the air cleaner, although it's on the other side). Other than that, I didn't encounter problems anymore. It can carry it's 16 passengers(including the driver) easily, I think because of it's 2.7 engine. One fuel tank can bring you to Tiwi, Albay via the Tigaon route with 1/4 of fuel left in it's tank, during it's stay with me, I've brought it to Tuguegarao and Sorsogon already. It didn't failed me on the road or what we call "tinirik ka sa gitna ng daanan".
               
      • 17Sphynx17 May 01 2012 @ 08:09pm
         
        We used to own a Kia Pride, Kia Pregio and a Kia Carens.

        I still have a lot of respect for their engines. I know the Korean makes are good cars, the after sales service/availability of parts is what pushes me away. We really can't have the vehicle tied up as un-usable for a long period of time just to wait for parts to arrive if there is a problem.

        So for our family, we shied away from them for the meantime again after the Carens.

        I still love the previous iteration of the Sorento. That for me is a beautiful car that aged really well. It still looks good to me til now. =)
           
        • manongtaxi May 01 2012 @ 08:48pm
           
          They are prioritizing other markets first, which has a bad effect on the potential car buyers here. But, we can't deny the fact that the Philippines is indeed a small market for the automobile industry.
             
    • marcha77 May 04 2012 @ 01:34am
       
      Hi RS500! I believe the reliability issue can come to rest now. The Santa Fe has been in the market for since 2007 if I remember correctly. I own a 2007 model and have driven it more than 130k kilometers. I have the replaced the suspension just once (backside). I typically drive 450 to 700 km a week depending on my clients location. It has endured rough roads, floods and in one of my visits in Nueva Ecija, I accidentally waded in hood deep water. It was my lucky day to survive such ordeal hehe. In my opinion, the keeping quality of the car depends so much on the driving habit and maintenance practice of the owners.
         
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 01 2012 @ 08:48pm
     
    Montero Sport, Period.
       
  • BOOGIECAT May 01 2012 @ 09:03pm
     
    Baka mauna pang lumabas ang Trailblazer kaysa sa new Santa Fe!
       
  • isaac3654 May 01 2012 @ 11:37pm
     
    Wait for the new Santa Fe. Trust me, it's gonna be a good car! Kaso, expect the price of the new Santa Fe to rise slightly. It now replaces ksi the utterly overpriced Veracruz, and based on research, the present Hyundai and Kia isn't what you thought of these two before. Affordable, yes, but not the cheap cars of the yore. Quality, yes just on par with the Japanese and Europeans, yes Europeans. Even Volkswagen was impressed with the new i30 that it is using it as a benchmark for the future Golf! Proof: http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/should-volkswagen-worry-about-hyundai
    Proof #2 Hyundai i30 review from CarBuyer UK. Go to 2:45 onwards of the Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WDrp-g3bHM
        1
  • Feeter Silverster May 02 2012 @ 05:46am
     
    Kahit naman po anong sasakyan pwede sa highway, pwede rin sa provincial feeder roads, kahit pa 4x2 na Montero o Santa Fe, kahit nga po Crosswind or Innova eh ok eh. Starex nga namin madalas arkilahin nung kapitbahay naming buy en sell ng lupa walang problema kahit dalhin sa mga barrio...
    Hindi naman siguro sila magbebenta ng real estate na nasa kabundukan talaga. Ang mahalaga eh may reliable vehicle, reliable na agent, magaling ang sales talk, at maiisakay mo ang client mo ng libre.
       
  • jeprockz May 02 2012 @ 07:43am
     
    Enough arguing. i'm also a real estate broker and i drive a Montero. weird thing, every time i use my dads monty for client tripping i always close the sale but when i acquire our company vehicle they don't buy. i guess with the monty you'll get an additional "Pogi Points".

    my point is. get a Montero.
       
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 02 2012 @ 10:50pm
       
      Yep, that's what you get if you buy the Montero, it adds to your personality that's why many persons who are in real estate companies have or gets the Montero Sport.
         
      • manongtaxi May 03 2012 @ 12:03am
         
        All cars adds up to your personality as long as it matches your style, though image is indeed important. I've read an article in FHM a couple months ago, if my memory serves me right, image what matters most. They've interviewed a HR supervisor, and according to him/her, it doesn't really matter if you came from the BIG 4 (UP, DLSU, ADMU AND UST) though it's a factor that can be considered. Useless daw kasi kung nanggaling ka dun tapos yung mukha mo naman MABABADTRIP or MASISIRA YUNG ARAW ng customer, compared dun sa ibang university nanggaling pero kasing gwapo naman si papa coco ;). So yeah I think if the car matches your style, shows it how elegant/flamboyant you are it might suit the sumptuous taste of the potential buyer/customer.
           
    • Troy May 04 2012 @ 12:31am
       
      Sir may I ask. Anu po yung company vehicle nyo?
         
      • jeprockz May 07 2012 @ 07:44pm
         
        Madami eh. Most of them are L300s. Some are Innova, Crosswind, Adventure and Revo.
           
  • HypnoticSpectre May 02 2012 @ 09:35am
     
    I have the same dilemma a few years back...
    Did a lot of research, read and back-read through different Auto Forums.
    Test drive both vehicle..
    Finally chose Santa Fe over MS and have no regrets about that decision.
    My Fey is almost a year and a half old and still runs and feels like new :)

    My suggestion is test drive both and choose which one suits you better.

    This is the kind of problem that is nice to have :)

        1
  • DePendot May 02 2012 @ 10:51am
     
    pa gogoogle sir. montero accident blogspot
        3
    • 16bab16 May 02 2012 @ 01:03pm
       
      Actually, they are calling all victims of montero sudden acceleration to ATTEND THE MEDIATION ON MAY 9,2012 AT 1PM. AT THE DTI MAKATI OFFICE 12TH FLOOR TRAFALGAR PLAZA 105 HV DELA COSTA ST. SALCEDO VILLAGE MAKATI
         
      • Kyoichi Sudo May 02 2012 @ 10:47pm
         
        They're just wasting their time, they should admit that its only human error or floor mat error ung naiipit ung floormat sa likod ng pedals, nangyari na sa amin 'to sa Adventure namin na na-ipit ung floormat sa accelerator ng Adventure namin kaya nag-sudden accelerate, good thing hnd nag-panik ung lolo ko who's the driver that time kaya he stepped on the right pedal, the brake pedal and then nothing happened, we're safe after that lucky event, tapos. Its just human error or dispositioned floormat.
           
    • manongtaxi May 02 2012 @ 02:26pm
       
      Haha aren't you guys wondering that this "sudden acceleration" appeared when ECU and Automatic Transmission became readily available? I've experienced, especially when I'm surprised by something, instead of the brakes, I step on the accelerator. The same happened I think with Toyota in the USA, consumers/owners of their car report "sudden acceleration" and to add it all up this came just in time when the BIG 3 of Detroit are experiencing a downfall in their companies. Sa pressure mo at pagkataranta ikaw mismo di mo na alam kung yung preno nga ba natapakan mo or accelerator :)) siyempre pag tinanong ka naman sasabihin mo preno natapakan mo diba? Dun sa parking ng isang simbahan tawa ako ng tawa kasi isang babae bumangga sa likod ng FX, sabi niya naatrasan daw siya. Eh saktong naiwan niyang bukas mga pintuan niya sa harap, pagkatingin ko naiwan niya sa Drive ang kambyo niya kahit nakapatay na makina. So which is which? Yung topic ng "sudden acceleration" medyo alanganin pa.
         
      • Kyoichi Sudo May 02 2012 @ 10:40pm
         
        True, this "sudden acceleration" issue is just a Human failure, panicking is one of the causes of this.
           
        • manongtaxi May 03 2012 @ 12:24am
           
          The cause of "sudden acceleration" is still unclear, though majority of it I think happens because of human error. But, as much as possible we need to avoid this topic. What we're sure is that this "sudden acceleration" appeared under observed circumstances in the world. Like my previous example, the problem of "sudden acceleration" in Toyota North America only appeared when the BIG 3 of Detroit where experiencing a downfall. And here in the Philippines, it just appeared when automatic transmissions became readily available. So it'll make you think, is it really the car's fault? or the person behind the wheel?
             
          • Kyoichi Sudo May 03 2012 @ 07:38pm
             
            For me, its the person behind the wheel. In case that your car suddenly accelerates, don't panick because instead of steeping in the brake pedal, you might step on the accelerator, w/c I think is the real deal here, human error.
               
            • manongtaxi May 05 2012 @ 06:29pm
               
              We also need to remind the people who will be buying their first automatic car to always read their car's owner's manual first, it is IMPERATIVE that they SHOULD READ it first. All owner's manual, ALWAYS HAVE AN EXPLICIT WARNING that even you don't step on the accelerator as long as the gear shift is placed in DRIVE it will move forward. The reason behind this is that all ECU and automatic transmissions always use/engage two gears so that the driver won't experience an aggressive change of gears, that's why manual transmissions is still fuel efficient compared to automatic transmissions.
                 
    • RS500 May 02 2012 @ 06:36pm
       
      halos lahat naman ng automatic may potential na magkaroon ng ganyang problem. nasa ECU kasi un
         
  • mitsugas May 02 2012 @ 08:28pm
     
    forester k nlng hehehe. Wag mo na hintayin ang santa fe kung mawalan ka lng ng sales next year pa to lalabas.
       
  • hyper014 May 02 2012 @ 10:24pm
     
    your an real state agent and your clients will ride to your car to visit the place that you sell...
    kung ako ang papipiliin, tingin ko antayin m na lang yung bagong santa fe, and tignan m na din yung passenger seat nya yung second row., balita ko kasi sa montero sports, mababa yung passenger seat sa 2nd row and not comfortable unlike sa fortuner... so i think na antay antay ka muna nang makapag isip isip ka at mai test drive m yung car...
    :D
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  • jelenajoakim May 06 2012 @ 08:59am
     
    i've seen the new sta fe, and if the specs are true, its over 220 HP and 51 kg of torque from the same displacement..
       
  • barry May 08 2012 @ 12:45pm
     
    manongtaxi, Kyoichi Sudo at 17sphynx17 pwede na kayong tawaging THE TRIPLE THREAT. in short, service advisor ng mitsu. haha
       
  • barry May 08 2012 @ 12:59pm
     
    @regie: well. as we say to our readers in this forum, try to visit the showroom and request for a test-drive (montero sport) so that you can make your decision if you are planning to buy a mid-size SUV. or, if you want to see the all-new santa fe, you will wait maybe this year or the 1st quarter of 2013. it's hard to compare the montero sport and the all-new santa fe because the model is not available on the market. make a practical decision. it's your choice...happy motoring!
       
  • Regiecua 11 months ago
     
    Hi Botch! Thanks for your inputs. I just got the Santa Fe 2 weeks ago and I have no regrets whatsoever. My wife likes it very much because of its comfortability and maneuverability. Just cruised Hilux and Range Rover this morning @ 160kph and never looked back :)
       
  • miguel2012 11 months ago
     
    in this comparison .... i will pick santa fe
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