Alterra, Montero Sport or Fortuner?

By Botchi Santos
 

Hi, Botchi!

My name is David and I'm from Laguna. I am planning to buy a sport-utility vehicle (SUV) and I'm choosing between a Mitsubishi Montero Sport, an Isuzu Alterra and Toyota Fortuner.

Can you please tell me which is better in terms of fuel economy, reliabilty and after-sales service?

My daily travel is from Calamba in Laguna to Alabang in Muntinlupa. Once a week, I travel to Makati.

I've heard of the new Mitsubishi Montero Sport with VGT and how it is compared to the new Toyota Fortuner and Isuzu Alterra. I just want a 4x2 SUV.

I hope to receive a suggestion from you soon. That would really help me choose an SUV.

Regards,
David

Hi, David!

It's always a pleasure for us to hear from you guys out there. Thanks for taking the time to send us your query.

Here's my take on the SUVs you mentioned:

Isuzu Alterra. This is the oldest of the bunch. It's got roomy middle-row seats, and it's a solid and dependable choice. It is, however, underpowered in today's SUV segment. While the Alterra is generally well-built as a whole--with decent standard equipment--it also feels the most cheesy, aftermarket-ish. It doesn't have the OEM look of the Toyota Fortuner and the Mitsubishi Montero Sport.

Toyota Fortuner. This is a great vehicle but the 4x2 is only available in 2.7 VVT-i gasoline or 2.5 D4-D diesel engine. Both are grossly underpowered, which is the last thing you want in a big heavy SUV like the Fortuner. Now, you can't go wrong with the 3.0 D4-D V variant, but it just might push you out of your budget. Still, even in top-variant trim level, there's nothing really new about the Fortuner so it's showing its age while its still a very formidable and tough SUV. The ride is admittedly firm but you'll get used to it anyway. It also makes for excellent high-speed maneuvering such as driving fast and hard on a long-winding mountain road. I love it in 3.0 D4-D V trim!

Mitsubishi Montero Sport. Now this is currently my favorite SUV. The handling and comfort compromise is pretty good. It's not as harsh as it was in the past, and it has a new 2.5 CRDi engine equipped with a VGT turbine and five-speed automatic transmission with the industry-only paddle-shifters available in its class. It's not a very good hard-core off-road performer but it's more than enough for most light off-roading: provincial dirt, farm-to-market roads and anything that will not involve winching. Get the GT-V variant, the top-model Montero Sport that has a small difference over the 4X2 you were originally looking at. It's well worth the upgrade!

Hope this helps makes things a little easier for you. Keep us posted when you've decided on which SUV to get. Take care and God bless!

Botchi Santos
Consumer editor

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  • warak1422 May 13 2011 @ 05:19pm
    For me Standard SUV should have a minimum 4x4
    capability not 4x2
    For me it is SUZUKI Jimny JLX AT/MT as an entry level and FORD Ranger 4x4 AT/MT (not an SUV) but more capable than SUV's and is more practical
    But for the 3 Choices: Isuzu Alterra...old but tested and guaranted
    Last modified May 13 2011 @ 05:22pm
    • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 09:01am
      2 bajillion times chief! Couldn't agree more ---- Amongst the 3 and within the budget of PhP1.4M, i will choose the less than PhP1.4M 3-litre Isuzu Alterra Zen.

      But if Mr. David can swing-in just a bit more money, he'd be better off with the PhP1.55 M 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi eVGT than any of the PhP1.7 M top-of-the-line Isuzu Alterra Urban Cruiser, 3-litre Fortuner, and 2.5-litre Montysport "GTV"---- i bet anyway that he's not an hardcore offroader by any means and why such drive a luxurious SUV in such conditions anyway.... He'd be way better off with the Korean Kimchi Santa Fe for the purpose of having an SUV/ crossover....
  • armoj777 May 13 2011 @ 05:23pm
    is it true that the montero sport is prone to roll over?
    • maranello_5775 May 13 2011 @ 08:41pm
      any high rise SUV are prone to roll over if the driver is careless
      • armoj777 May 14 2011 @ 06:29pm
        yeah true but the MS daw is really more prone compared to others in the class..something about the its design daw
        • maranello_5775 May 15 2011 @ 10:09am
          yes there's a presence of body roll given its soft suspension settings....we own a MS gls se and we brought it to bicol, we take the curves fast for an SUV but the montero sport didn't lose composure...usually nagsasabi ng grabeng negative comments sa isang kotse e di naman owners but the lurkers!
        • apzendowns May 26 2011 @ 08:59pm
          Never heard any problems with MS, the fortuner actually is the one i know which is prone to roll over.
  • RS500 May 13 2011 @ 05:31pm
    The Montero Sport has a lot of body roll when I drove one. Although I haven't heard any news of MS rolling over.
  • 17Sphynx17 May 13 2011 @ 05:57pm
    For Fuel economy, I would say the Isuzu Alterra would win hands down but as Botchi said it is the oldest of the bunch.

    If you were comparing top of the line models, the 3.0 D-4D Fortuner would be of course a better choice over the Fortuner. But since it looks like it would be the 2.5L 4x2 diesels then it really is the Monterosport.

    As for the rollover issue of Montero, I think it is unfounded, unless of course you really are driving it over the limit and at a sharp curve, then I would say that no matter how safe the car is or what equipment it has, you really will roll over.

    Think about it, at some of our highways there are signs before reaching a curve either 40kph or 60kph. I took some 60kph turns at 100kph and the montero still felt grounded. However on some, I really had to slow down to 40kph because it slowed down while taking the turn and peeked at the speedo. Lo-and-behold my speed dropped to 40 with me just adjusting my speed based on the turn.

    It's all a matter of how you drive really. If you are a trained/experienced rally/racing driver then I think they could have gone faster over that turn, but sadly I am not one, and I know most of us drivers out there want to believe we are "that good". So just keep the driving on the safe zone, keep in mind that if anything happens it's not just you that get the brunt of the damage, you might be bringing someone along with you (either passenger, passerby or another vehicle).
  • rdjl_13 May 13 2011 @ 05:58pm
    Even though we own a Fortuner V variant, I won't recommend the G variants. Both G variants are underpowered. I think you should go for the Montero Sport VGT because it has a 4x2 variant. :)
  • 17Sphynx17 May 13 2011 @ 06:11pm
    I forgot to mention based on driving experience with the Montero I have gathered mixed mileage numbers when it comes it's consumption.

    I have gotten 13.5km/l driving from QC to Camarines Norte and back on a full tank of gas with only 2 passengers keeping in mind that there are ups and downs along the highway and not all is paved road, especially the alternate road if you're not taking Old Zigzag Road or "Bituka". Average speed 60-80kph. 1 full tank covering the stretch of around 700 kms.

    However, I also got a low of about 10-11 km/l from QC to Subic and back. This was with 7 adult passengers with luggage. I consider this as fully loaded condition. max sprint 120kph (average rpm 2000). But during this trip there were 3 accidents along NLEX and the trip was a crawl for about 45mins until we passed Pulilan exit (during holy week).

    QC to Ilocos Norte just 10km/l with 8 adult passengers plus luggage (yes we managed to squeeze 8 adults in the montero with 3 people in the back row.) - max sprint going to Ilocos @ 120kph. average rpm 2000.

    Ilocos Norte to Subic again with 8 passengers plus luggage 11-12km/l. (I don't know how this happened though but from full tank we were left with about half a tank still when we arrived in Subic - go figure) Max sprint is 140kph (with more frequency and intervals compared to going to Ilocos) average rpm 2500.

    These are of course highway conditions.

    As for city conditions, I got an average of 8-10km/l. But this is usually with 2-3 PAX max only with little or no luggage. during traffic (not yet extreme), I dropped to around 7km/l with 5 PAX on board.
  • francolim1990 May 13 2011 @ 06:24pm
    in my experience, the fortuner 2.5L diesel is actually a great car if you're driving alone, but if it's carrying some load, then it's really underpowered. tried and tested.
  • tgstig May 13 2011 @ 06:41pm
    wala pang bagong SUVs? ano bang coming up? new fortuner? may naririnig na ba kayo? montero after a year or two pa siguro...
  • dtkiko May 13 2011 @ 06:53pm
    For the original poser, Mr. David of Laguna:

    Sir, you may find my reply with the same context here at this topgear thread link (just copy and paste it in your browser): http://www.topgear.com.ph/board/index.php?topic=6360.0

    @17Sphynx17: Sir, i got 17 km per litre on my manual-tranny Isuzu DMax LS "3.0 Ddi-iTEQ" (same engine as the Alterra) after travelling 425.5 km from Quezon City to Naga City to the CWC wakeboarding complex last May 2010. We passed by Bitukang-Manok, however. Like you i maintained my engine rpm at 2000 to 2250 rpm max before shifting to the next higher gear. The 3-litre Alterra "might" be able to consume less since it weighs 100 kg lesser than the DMax LS. We were 4 in my pickup that time, me, my family, and our kasambahay.

    Last December 2010, we went up to Baguio City (3 of us in the family plus a friend of mine), along Marcos Highway, and my fuel consumption was 15.4 km per litre. I was breezing up Marcos Highway staying almost all the time at 4-gear and at 2250 rpm max. I downshifted to 3rd only along the tight hairpins, or we may call them "switchbacks"....

    As a family, we also have a 2.5-litre Monterosport (owned by my in-laws just next door our house).... i haven't tested it though at long runs yet sir....
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  • HAHAman May 13 2011 @ 07:16pm
    The Alterra could haul and haul it with relative ease. But its pretty old and noisy. It wouldn't suit you if you're a ninja :D The fortuner still retains its cool but everybody knows its aging, and the G models are underpowered and when i rode the VVT-i one it was noisy. My tito kept revving cos it was having a hard time pulling 8 people. I don't have personal experience but i read some reviews. Mostly positive. If i would recommend one SUV it is the Santa Fe. Its pretty smooth and slick. It hauled 7 people and their cargo with ease to bataan. The only negative thing is the legroom on the rear. :)
    • HAHAman May 13 2011 @ 07:18pm
      i don't have personal experience with the MS GTV*
  • 17Sphynx17 May 13 2011 @ 09:06pm
    @dtkiko
    Hi Sir. Regarding fuel consumption, I do agree and know the Alterra is the most frugal in terms of fuel consumption. (see post #4 in this thread).

    -------------------

    As for my fellow members, I think his budget is @ 1.4M Php max and it needs to be a diesel, given the three cars he laid out which is I think a reason why he did not include the Sta. Fe.

    The Everest could also be a choice. (question though, is a new model coming out next year alongside the new ranger?)

    And if David (the letter sender), ends up picking the Fortuner, I think a new one is coming later this year so if he can wait, at least he makes his car a new model and up its resale value a bit in the future.
  • dtkiko May 13 2011 @ 09:36pm
    @armoj777 and RS500: The standard 2.5-litre Montysport DiD is just like a big Isuzu Crosswind hahahaha!!!! Frankly-speaking judging by our 2010 model Montysport. It also got quite a noisy engine, and it only pulls reasonably well at 2000 rpm, unlike the bigger 3-litre diesels whether they are equipped with VGT's or not (The 3-litre Toyota Fortuner got the VGT and Toyota calls it "variable nozzle turbocharger" or VNT. The Philippine-Alterra is also CRDi but it just utilises a standard turbocharger, not a variable-geometry turbo), they pull really really well even at just over 1000 rpm and both the Alterra and the 3-litre Fortuner produces their peak torque very widely along the rpm range (1400 rpm to 3400 rpm). The Fortuner also shares the same excellent 3-litre 1KD-FTV engine with the Toyota Prado but the one in the Prado is just tweaked-out a li'l bit better more producing 172 ps and 420 Nm peak flat torque....
    ....GOING BACK, but, of course, i just tell my in-laws that they chose a reasonable SUV (the 2010 Montysport) just to please them ---- who wants to tangle up with in-laws anyway ahihi ahoho....

    Haven't driven yet the "GTV" version though but judging by Mr. Ferman Lao's article "Hiroshi Masuoki challenge" about the new Montysport, one can already see that it has a "peaky" powerband" ---- only 250 Nm at 1800 rpm and you have to rev it as much up to 3500 rpm just to get that 350 Nm. Just imagine how much pressure combustion there is for a 4-stroke diesel engine just to attain that 350 Nm.... and that is already 1750 sequential pressure combustion in a minute! Haha....
    ....The 3-litre Fortuner, on the other hand, can somehow already attain this "almost" 350 Nm torque (343 Nm) from as low as 1400 rpm all the way to 3200 rpm.... And 1400 revolutions in a minute of the crankshaft translates only to 750 pressure combustion done in sequence for 4-cylinder diesel engine.

    In fact, if one checks out the chassis dyno runs posted at Speedlab's website, under the link about the "Unichip" diesel EFi-tuning kit, the 3-litre 1KD-FTV engine on the Hilux (same engine as the Fortuner) makes 380 Nm peak torque in stock-trim, or almost 40 Nm more than what Toyota publicises....

    Just my 2 centavos....
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 14 2011 @ 03:29pm
      hey! i like noisy engines
      • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 11:29am
        Really sir! Well, you just prove my point.... no wonder why you like the "noisy" publicity-only less substance Mitsubishi haha!

        Funny thing is it's been 4 years that Mitsu has been chasing after the 197 ps and 435 Nm Hyundai Santa Fe trying to beat its engine department, BUT tsk tsk tsk, and still after 4 years of doing so, the "spastic" so-called "GTV" could only do so 178 ps at a high rev of 4000 rpm and a gayish single-spot 350 Nm, at high-rpm of 3500.... ahihik ahik....
  • AKP1973 May 13 2011 @ 09:47pm
    I would suggest you do a test drive. You might also wanna try out the new KIA Sorento CRDi which can out run any of those you mentioned above any day. Drive first before you make a big decision.
  • dtkiko May 13 2011 @ 09:57pm
    17Sphynx17: Yes sir noted, saw that post of yours at No. 4.

    Wow, if Mr. David got upfront a PhP1.4M cash, then, if i were him (only if i were hehe), i will definitely go for the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT, or Kia Sorento R eVGT. Both produces 197 metric-hp and 435 Nm peak torque from 2000 rpm to 2500 rpm.

    According to Mr. Botchi Santos, in one of his previous articles, the Santa Fe is the best amongst the locally-marketed SUV's/ crossovers today. It even sips lesser fuel than the Isuzu Alterra. In Europe, the same Santa Fe as our Philippine ones got the highest European NCAP rating of "5" in terms of its safety features....

    The 4x2 auto-tranny Santa Fe costs only around PhP1.55M cash compared to the PhP1.7M Alterra Urban cruiser, 3-litre Fortuner D4-D, and 2.5-litre Monterosport "GTV"....

    My fellow geologist colleague who recently got a Santa Fe realises it that "if he were not only prejudice about Korean-mades, he would have acquired the Santa Fe long-time ago".... He even put it "what have i been doing all the while, looking into Japanese-after-Japanese brands?!!!" ....He's really super-stoked with his brand-spanking new Hyundai, so to speak hehe....
    • dominic May 13 2011 @ 10:26pm
      I agree with you sir. He can't go wrong with SF
    • 17Sphynx17 May 13 2011 @ 10:41pm
      I would agree SF really is the best. If he can afford it, then surely there is no question.

      My family opted for the MS as it was the one that was within our budget (installment and all) but if it were raised by just a few 100k then the SF would've been the winning contender =)

      As for Kia Sorento, on paper I like it. However, I am hesitant with the Kia brand currently as we had bad after sales service with them with our old Kia Carens. This was just last year. In and out of the casa for weeks at a time. By the end my dad got fed up with and just sold it. Was just 3 years old casa maintained and we already had the turbo replaced, the aircon fixed and the airbag alarm just turned on for no reason. Never been in a collision and was never flooded. Perhaps we just got a lemon out of that production cycle, just our luck.
  • macpro May 13 2011 @ 11:23pm
    A good SUV should have the right balance and compromise in terms of ride, power, handling, features, styling and off-road capability. For me, the montero sport is the most "balanced" among the three vehicles mentioned here. Power is really sufficient and the ride is almost as good as crossovers plus the good off-road capability.
  • dom402 May 13 2011 @ 11:29pm
    Go for the montero. The altera gives out a cheap image and the fortuner's getting a lil boring.
  • Rem May 13 2011 @ 11:35pm
    Montero Sport and Isuzu Alterra for me. In the engine department, you can never go wrong with Isuzu's engines. Pero sana yung 4JJ1-TCX na lang ang nilabas dito, at sana din pareho ang D-Max and Alterra sa Thai domestic model. :D
  • AKP1973 May 13 2011 @ 11:36pm
    1st generation Sta. Fe (2000 - 20006)
    2nd Gen (2006 - present) with minor facelift
    3rd gen (2012? 2013?) could be total makeover
    Curb Weight (kg): 1832

    KIA Sorento 2nd Gen (2009 - present)
    PhP1.4 eVGT (euro 5 compliant)
    Curb Weight (kg): 1770
    Last modified May 13 2011 @ 11:37pm
  • dtkiko May 13 2011 @ 11:50pm
    @macpro: Sir, how often does one really engages his SUV in offroad riding? i know what offroad means since for 14 years now i've worked in the minerals exploration/ mining industry here and overseas and have been exposed to 4x4's on ill-conditioned trail roads, even in undeground mines.... i even ride a motocross bike in my free time, mostly trailriding in Rizal, Bulacan, Tarlac, Zambales (Mount Pinatubo).

    The reputable TopGear Phils conrtributor and seasoned offroader Mr. Beeboy Bargas regarded the Isuzu Alterra and the Toyota Fortuner as better offroad SUV's than the Monterosport, quite frankly.... You may even asked Mr. Botchi Santos about it, as in some of his columns he openly refers to Mr. Bargas's findings and high-regard on the Alterra when it comes to offroad applications, where you will find such very words....

    @dom402: Amongst the three, if it's the 3-litre Fortuner D4-D against the 2.5-litre Montysport "GTV", i would still choose the Fortuner for a budget PhP1.7M .... But, if it were the 2.5-litre Montysport "standard" Di-D against the 2.5-litre Fortuner D4-D, and against the cheapest 3-litre Alterra Ddi-iTEQ (Zen-edition), i would choose the 3-litre Alterra.

    As observed and having had the opportunity to drive all these SUV's on frequent even on a daily-basis, a "cerebral" person who is more after a responsive wide peak torque distribution even at low rpms, would opt for the 3-litre diesels than the highly-strung 2.5-litre diesels (include also the so-called 2.5-litre Montysport "GTV" amongst the highly-strung that produces its peak torque ONLY at a single spot along the rev range and way high at 3500 rpm, then plunges rapidly thereafter)....
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  • macpro May 14 2011 @ 08:43am
    @dtkiko: Sir, in my previous post, I was stating the off-road capability of the montero as compared with crossovers. Check it out. Im no auto expert, but I think one of the main reasons for buying a SUV is for the off-road capability. Fortuner may be good off-road but I find the ride too firm and uncomfortable. Its a personal call but I just don't like Alterra's styling. Bottom line, montero has more than sufficient power, more than needed off-road capability, has a very comfortable ride, decent fuel consumption and it looks good too. That's what I mean by a "balanced" SUV. It's looking at the complete package and not just dwelling on one strength of a vehicle.
  • jeseca18 May 14 2011 @ 09:27am
    Both Fort and Monty are prone to roll overs because of its heights even on full loads.
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 10:18am
      but i think the monty is more safer than fort
  • dtkiko May 14 2011 @ 10:19am
    jeseca18: means high centre of gravity on both vehicles....

    In terms of driving visibility, the Fortuner is way way better than the Monterosport.... The latter as i may describe is trying hard to cope with modern design, with such slopey designs (a slopey design but in a funny way ahihi), which has created a lot of blind spots even up front thru the driver's cockpit.

    In terms of power, i would definitely go over the 3-litre Fortuner D4-D than any highly-strung 2.5-litre Montysport. Like i said, our 2010 2.5-litre Montysport "standard" Di-D is just like driving a huge Isuzu Crosswind ---- i should know since we also own a 2001 Crosswind XT hehe....
    ....And for me, the publicity revolving around the Monterosport, even with its recent so-called "GTV" version, is way TOO OVERRATED, it's AS IF Mitsubishi was the one that invented or originated the variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) technology hahahahaha!!!!

    For all we know both Toyota Motors and Isuzu Japan had been using the VGT since 2001, where Toyota first utilised it at the very 1KD-FTV engine of the 3-litre Toyota Hilux and Prado and where Isuzu was exporting such 3-litre diesel engines equipped with VGT's to European companies like Renault of France, Saab of Sweden and Opel of Germany.... but they don't publicised such with an AUDACITY like Mitsubishi does as if Mitsu patented the idea hahahahahaha!!!!
  • 17Sphynx17 May 14 2011 @ 11:16am
    I think we all know the GTV is the emphasis of the marketing of Mitsubishi for the Montero as it is its most notable change/addition.

    But please, Mitsubishi never claimed that they were the first and I haven't seen any advertisement in which they say they are.

    It's a marketing strategy. Just as saying/launching the all new 2012 (facelifted) "put any car model here". Nothing's really changed much to except a few add-ons but its pretty much the same old generation with a few tweaks. Be it aesthetics, a bit of tweaking to the engine or just adding accessories.

    I haven;t driven the 2010 Monterosport without GTV but I have driven the Crosswind. It's an okay ride just really lacks the kick if you want to be rushing at a certain point in time to overtake. But if you already have the momentum to carry you through the overtake maneuver, then it's not really that much of a concern as long as you know how the car performs on certain conditions that you subject it to.

    But we can all agree here I believe that:
    1) all the cars stated in this thread are reliable (alterra, fortuner, montero, sta fe, ranger)
    2) Fuel economy from most frugal to not so frugal. (alterra/sta fe, montero, ranger/fortuner)

    Based on the main concerns and among the choices the owner and if price were a limiting factor. Alterra or montero could win. I think we can agree on that because he is surely looking at the 2.5L Di-D Fortuner and not the 3.0L Di-D.

    However, if price is not as big of an issue (from say a max budget of 1.4M php, he was willing to bump it up to 1.5M php) and he is a bit more flexible, surely the Sta Fe would be the top contender here.

    Just my two cents.
    • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 09:10am
      Agree with you sir in most of teh pointers!

      Sir, amongst the 3 and within the budget of PhP1.4M, and only if i were Mr. David, i will still choose the less than PhP1.4M 3-litre Isuzu Alterra Zen, mainly because as i've already listed as far as responsive wide-toque is concerned (the widest in the class straddling over a window of 2000 rpm from a low 1400 rpm to 3400 rpm), it's timing gear-and-chain engine components as opposed to timing belt-drivens, and it's 8-cross member ladder frame amongst many others....

      And like you said, if Mr. David can swing-in just a bit more money, he'd be better off with the PhP1.55 M 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi eVGT than any of the PhP1.7 M top-of-the-line Isuzu Alterra Urban Cruiser, 3-litre Fortuner, and 2.5-litre Montysport "GTV"---- i bet anyway that he's not an hardcore offroader by any means and why drive such a luxurious SUV in conditions like these anyway, and most of the time???? (One would be better off with a UTE or a pickup for a workhorse in such cases)....
      ....He'd be way better off with the Korean-Kimchi Santa Fe for the purpose of having an SUV/ crossover....
      • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 11:16am
        @Kyoichi Sudo:

        Haha! Honestly di ko naintindihan ano gusto mo chief bosing....

        Makinig ka nalang para may matutunan ka at hindi puros "GTV" lang bukang bibig mo dito.... You don't even explain things technically and as far as i know, all your comments are just personal anecdotes, where anyone can claim such anyway haha!

        Have a nice day bro!
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 10:37am
      @dtkiko, don't be to hyper. masyado nang mahaba ang mga comments mo, binalik mo lng ang lumang Juan Miguel Mendoza. back to topic, basicaly, when it comes to Fortuner and Monty, were all very active, but Montero is now very far from Fortuner, MS is now the 2nd best selling vehicle in the Philippines while the Fortuner, fall down a little. we all should be concerned at the Sorento, which is now the Mid-size SUV of the year, Which i hate. Leave the Fortuner and concentrate on the Sorento. I'm just telling to all of you not to be so active w/ these MS and fort, especially dtkiko.
      • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 11:06am
        Haha! Honestly di ko naintindihan ano gusto mo chief bosing....

        Makinig ka nalang para may matutunan ka at hindi puros "GTV" lang bukang bibig mo dito.... You don't even explain things technically and as far as i know, all your comments are just personal anecdotes, where anyone can claim such anyway haha!

        Have a nice day bro!
  • gundam May 14 2011 @ 12:31pm
    based on the few sentences of the letter that was shared to us. i assume that he needs a ride with 4x2 A/T( easier to compare) and money is no problem.
    fuel economy: almost same lang consumption nyan.
    reliability: engine - isuzu
    after sales: depende sa dealer yan. kung hilig mo pasyal province, toyota dahil mas madami sila casa sa province in case you encounter problem.
    alterra for me.... upgrade mo na lang wheels to catch up in the aesthetics

    Basic visible difference bet MS and fortuner:
    fortuner - auto aircon with 2nd row vent, leather seats, seatbelt warning/ sensor, dedicated doorlock button.
    MS - manual aircon w/o 2nd row vent , fabric seats, sportronic a/t, monitor w/ navigation, more powerful engine.

    try mo din santa fe

    and in case you drop by at mitsubishi and you look at the brochure there is incorrect spec there (based on the comments above), the one that says 350Nm 1800-3500rpm.0 seconds ago
    Last modified May 14 2011 @ 12:37pm
  • southboy May 14 2011 @ 12:33pm
    good point by sir bochi. but i think he didn't answer any of david's concerns on buying a SUV??
  • dtkiko May 14 2011 @ 02:09pm
    @17Sphynx17:

    Sir, as far as fuel consumption is concerned, this is taken from Australian 4x4 pickup comparo, where each UTE was tested in offroad engaged in 4x4 mode (you may copy and paste in your browser):

    http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/dtk1/4x4midsizeUTEcomparo-1.jpg

    We can deduced from here the consumption of the SUV's above since most of them (Toyota, Isuzu, Ford, and Mitsubishi, except for the Navara), share the same engine with their pickup siblings.... The Isuzu DMax iTEQ VGS Turbo shown in the table shares the same engine with the Isuzu MU-7, the Alterra of the Thais. HOWEVER, this better-engined Alterra/ DMax is not yet here in the Philippines. It is only sold in Europe since 2007, Australia since 2008, New Zealand and Thailand.

    Moreover, if you look in to the 2008 Department of Energy (DOE) fuel-economy run, the Philippine-Alterra "3.0 Ddi-iTEQ" came up with a fuel mileage of 19.44 km per litre and is included in DOE's "Top 10 Cars in the Philippines in Fuel Economy", as quoted en toto:

    1. Suzuki Alto 0.8L MT Gas ---- P1.38/km (34 km per liter)

    2. Hyundai Getz 1.5L MT Diesel ---- P1.82/km (25.22 km/liter)

    3. Hyundai Accent 1.5L MT Diesel ---- 1.97/km (23.38 km/liter)

    4. Mercedes Benz C-180K 1.8L AT Gas ---- P2.07/km (22.70km/liter)

    5. Toyota Vios 1.3L MT Gas ---- P2.08/km-(22.67 km/liter)

    6. Ford Focus 2.0L MT Diesel ---- P2.15/km (21.39km/liter)

    7. Kia Picanto 1.1 AT Gas ---- P2.18/km (21.60 km/liter)

    8. BMW 320D 2.0L AT Diesel ---- P2.24/km (20.53 km/liter)

    9. Isuzu DMAX LT 4x2 2.5L MT Diesel ---- P2.24/km (20.57 km/liter)

    10. Isuzu Alterra 4x2 3.0L MT Diesel ---- P2.37/km (19.44 km/liter)

    Source (you may copy and paste in your browser):
    http://www.alternat1ve.com/biofuel/2008/10/26/top-10-cars-in-the-philippines-in-fuel-economy/
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    • mts May 15 2011 @ 02:24pm
      I want to share something, Sir. I tried to test the following and came up with real fc. (note: this is an econo run) :) Suzuki alto 0.8L MT Gas 17km/L, Hyundai gets 16km/L, Benz C200 9.5km/L, 1.5 Vios 12km/L.. :) I can't reach the 34kkm/L of the Alto, same goes with other cars and declared fc's. I didn't even get close to that. :(
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 14 2011 @ 03:36pm
    David, you can't go wrong w/ the Montero Sport GLS-V. but if you want an upgraded one, The GTV is for you (problem is its a 4X4).
  • dtkiko May 14 2011 @ 05:16pm
    Mr. David of Laguna:

    AND THE MORE YOU WON'T go wrong with the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi with electronic VGT (power-, handling- and safety-wise) ---- simply stumps the "overrated" Monterosport "GTV" in the engine department, e.g. 197 metric-hp for the humble yet better Santa Fe against the "overrated" and much-publicised 178 metric-hp for the Monterosport....
    .... and a whopping 435 Nm peak flat torque from a generous 500 rpm window of 2000 rpm to 2500 rpm for the Santa Fe as against the "spastic" high-rpm yet "gayish" maxed-out 350 Nm torque of the Monterosport happening only at a diesel engine screaming revs of 3500 rpm, then nothing else....

    And reiterating just what Mr. Botchi Santos said, as paraphrased from one of his TopGear comparos ---- the Hyundai Santa Fe is the BEST amongst the locally-marketed SUV's/ crossovers today. It makes the highest power and torque numbers in the class and even sips lesser fuel than the rest of the lot that included the 2.5-litre D4D/ 2.7-litre VVTi/ 3.0-litre D4D Fortuner, 3.0-litre Alterra, 2.5-litre/ 3.2-litre Monterosport, and 2.5-litre/ 3.0-litre Ford Everest TDCi.

    Moreover, in Europe, the same Santa Fe as our Philippine ones got the highest European NCAP rating of "5" in terms of its safety features....

    In short, it's a NO-BRAINER to go for the much-better and cheaper PhP1.55 M Hyundai Santa Fe e-VGT than the "publicity-hungry", "trying-hard", "overrated" yet "gayish" PhP1.7 M Mitsubishi Monterosport "GTV"....
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  • RS500 May 14 2011 @ 07:02pm
    I've driven the 2010 Montero Sport GTV and was already impressed by its engine. What disappoints me is the interior. I hate the fact that they didn't hid the GPS antenna. It looked like they took their old models, slapped in a new turbo, then hired a GPS manufacturer to install their products on the cars. The menu for the screen too is quite a disappointment. It is your choice though, If you don't care more on the interior equipments, you could live with the Montero Sport. I, having owned already a much more refined SUV wouldn't want to have this anymore.
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  • southboy May 14 2011 @ 07:07pm
    agree with dtkiko sta fe is really a monster. but yet again, IMO, with regards to david's concern (fuel consumption, reliability (or i think it should be durability) and after sales..) fort/ alterra should be on the top of the list.
  • enZo4o May 14 2011 @ 09:46pm
    go for Sta.Fe period.
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 12:11am
    southboy:

    Thanks heaps chief!

    Highly also agree with you in terms of reliability (durability) and even longevity ---- there's actually nothing better than a typical 3-litre displacement like the 3-litre variant of the Toyota Fortuner (and Ford Everest, and even, or arguably, the 3.2-litre Mitsubishi Monterosport that utilises the timing gear and chain 4M41 engine plugged into the Pajero) and, of course, the Alterra when it comes to mid-size 4-cylinder SUV's.... Like the basic rule-of-thumb says, "there's no replacement for displacement"....
    ....Besides, you don't have to wring out their necks at high rpms since they can easily reach their peak wide flat torque levels at even sub-1500 rpm (the Alterra and the 3-litre Fortuner).

    Furthermore, 3 litres diesels are more adaptable to modifications such as even the 1st-stage mod installation of a diesel EFi tuning kit like the DPChip or Unichip....
    ....A 3-litre diesel can gain 25 bhp more as wheel horsepower and a whopping 40 Nm to 70 Nm more from any of these diesel EFi tuning chips alone. i was actually amazed at the gains of the 3-litre Hilux D4-D (same engine as the Fortuner) posted at Speedlab's website under the Unichip product that it gained up to 450 Nm of peak torque, which is almost comparable to the 470 Nm peak torque of the stock-trim all-new year 2012 model 3.2-litre 5-cylinder Ford Ranger TDCi....

    The gains from slight mods among the 3-litre diesels is sizeable unlike the 2.5-litre diesels as explained by Mr. Ferman Lao of TopGear Phils., incidentally, he's also the president of CAGI, and one of the owners of Speedlab Racing Tech....

    Kind regards.
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  • dominic May 15 2011 @ 12:30am
    wanna ask something, does SF and Sorento have the same body? if yes, same comfort din ba sila?
    • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 12:36am
      Unibody mga Korean-made and they give more like a car feel (which also translates to excellent maneuvering in winding roads ---- drive up a Santa Fe at high-speeds up Marcos highway and see what i mean sir), and therefore, are lighter than the rest of the Japanese SUV's ladder-frame type that feature around 6 to 8 cross-membranes (the DMax and even perhaps the Alterra, though not sure though, have 8 cross-membranes)....
  • nathz tolin May 15 2011 @ 01:43am
    well...choose between montero or fortuner.... pareho lang naman...
    • dominic May 15 2011 @ 02:01am
      no. there's a big differences
  • nestortinam May 15 2011 @ 08:16am
    i think the author made a mistake saying Montero is 5 speed. I think 4 speed lang siya? Am i right po ba?
    • tgstig May 15 2011 @ 09:43am
      the GLS-V has 4-Speed A/T and GTV has 5-Speed A/T
  • gvm0116 May 15 2011 @ 10:12am
    ^ 5 speed ang new montero. But the Koreans offer 6 speed trannies.
    • 17Sphynx17 May 15 2011 @ 10:41am
      Correct me if I am wrong but I know the 4x2 montero AT is only 4 speed but the 4x4 is the one that is a 5 speed (with the paddle shifter).
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 10:51am
    @gvm0116:

    Sir, the Koreans LET THEIR CARS DO THE TALKING....

    ....While Mitsubishi is just plain downright egoistic publicity (did you see HUGE emblem "VARIABLE GEOMETRY TURBO" that was displayed during the launching as if Mitsubishi originated, invented and patented the VGT technology all by their lonesome, what a classic marketing gimmikry hahahahaha!!!!)

    GOOD THING THOUGH not all Pinoys are low in the head....
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 10:51am
    david, you can't go wrong w/ the Montero Sport 2.5L GLS-V 4X2. But if you want a bit stylish one, The Montero Sport GTV suits the best, even in entertainment and power (176hp, 350N-m), w/ a price of P1,688,000 (GLS SE P1,720,000). GLS-V costs P1,408,000 compared to Fortuner's P1,479,000 w/ 102hp and 241 N-m of torque (2.5G AT) and P1,741,000 w/ 163hp and 343N-m (3.0V).
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 11:19am
      good thing is when Mitsu brings the manual VGT Monty and Strada, 350N-m of torque will become 400N-m (MT)
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 11:21am
      Monty is better unlike the tight interior of the santa-fe, which my uncle trade his new santa fe to a new Montero Sport GTV
      • dominic May 15 2011 @ 11:38am
        wow tight? sa lahat ng SUV na nasakyan ko, Monty na ang pinaka tight! mas pipiliin ko pa Fort kung interior lang t naman paguusapan. SF has the largest interior. Try to admit it. You just don't like SF for the fact that
        • dominic May 15 2011 @ 11:40am
          Cont.. that the latter totally beat your GT-V "Gayish Trying hard - Vehicle" .
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 10:53am
    @gvm0116:

    Sir, the Koreans LET THEIR CARS DO THE TALKING....

    ....While Mitsubishi is just plain downright egoistic publicity (did you see HUGE emblem "VARIABLE GEOMETRY TURBO" that was displayed during the launching as if Mitsubishi originated, invented and patented the VGT technology all by their lonesome, what a classic marketing gimmikry hahahahaha!!!!)

    GOOD THING THOUGH not all Pinoys are low in the head....
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 10:53am
    Mr. David of Laguna:

    AND THE MORE YOU WON'T go wrong with the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi with electronic VGT (power-, handling- and safety-wise) ---- simply stumps the "overrated" Monterosport "GTV" in the engine department, e.g. 197 metric-hp for the humble yet better Santa Fe against the "overrated" and much-publicised 178 metric-hp for the Monterosport....
    .... and a whopping 435 Nm peak flat torque from a generous 500 rpm window of 2000 rpm to 2500 rpm for the Santa Fe as against the "spastic" high-rpm yet "gayish" maxed-out 350 Nm torque of the Monterosport happening only at a diesel engine screaming revs of 3500 rpm, then nothing else....

    And reiterating just what Mr. Botchi Santos said, as paraphrased from one of his TopGear comparos ---- the Hyundai Santa Fe is the BEST amongst the locally-marketed SUV's/ crossovers today. It makes the highest power and torque numbers in the class and even sips lesser fuel than the rest of the lot that included the 2.5-litre D4D/ 2.7-litre VVTi/ 3.0-litre D4D Fortuner, 3.0-litre Alterra, 2.5-litre/ 3.2-litre Monterosport, and 2.5-litre/ 3.0-litre Ford Everest TDCi.

    Moreover, in Europe, the same Santa Fe as our Philippine ones got the highest European NCAP rating of "5" in terms of its safety features....

    In short, it's a NO-BRAINER to go for the much-better and cheaper PhP1.55 M Hyundai Santa Fe e-VGT than the "publicity-hungry", "trying-hard", "overrated" yet "gayish" PhP1.7 M Mitsubishi Monterosport "GTV"....
  • dominic May 15 2011 @ 11:14am
    Sana magrespond si Mr. David. At sana wise ang pagpili nya ^^
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 12:02pm
    @dominic:

    i do hope too that Mr. David choose his next ride based on the "cerebral" aspect of looking into the vehicle, and not just by peer pressure from personal anecdotes by anyone or just from marketing gimmikry ---- Well, anyone can make their own assumptions and even conjectures without looking into facts and when you take advice(s) from people like these without any inclination to technical things and without you at the same time also abreast about technical aspects, they can get very infectiously influential, may i say....

    Mr. David of Laguna, at the least, should understand the:

    1. Engine performance in terms of power and torque (where they are distributed along the powerband or rpm) and fuel-efficiency, not just speed ----
    ....well, for non-Santa Fe users or owners, and would-be owners, one might be surprised to see that even at just an engine radial speed of about 2000 rpm, the Santa Fe is already running at 130 kph and at 3000 rpm only it's already running 180 kph and can easily breeze thru 200 kph;

    2. The handling/ maneuvering aspect;

    3. The chassis design and its dynamic behaviours;

    4. The ride height of the vehicle or where the centre of gravity is located; and

    5. The overall safety features of the vehicle before making decisions.

    Less attention to publicity and marketing gimmickry is the key word, especially when a manufacturer starts to show or project the attitude that it was the one responsible for such technology, such as the case of the variable-geometry turbo (VGT) that for sometime now only one manufacturer amongst all the others have shown such AUDACITY in its publicity it's as if that company invented the VGT, nothwithstanding the fact that Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Hyundai, Kia companies have been utilising it for quite a long time now ---- the Philippine-issue Hyundai Santa Fe has been equipped with VGT running 4 years now....
    ....But Hyundai doesn't make such high-profile publicity about it, perhaps the company even knows that Toyota and Isuzu had been utilising the VGT since 2001....

    Funny thing is it's been 4 years now that Mitsubishi had been chasing after the better performance and Euro-styled 197 ps and 435 Nm Hyundai Santa Fe, trying to beat it in the engine department.... This was even mentioned during the 2011 Montysport "GTV" launching hehe.... as the company has its set eyes against the industry-setting 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi eVGT....

    ....BUT tsk tsk tsk as reality bites (hard-to-stomach), thereafter 4 years of trying hard to do so, the "spastic" so-called "GTV" could only manage 178 ps at a high diesel rev of 4000 rpm (wow, 2000 times per minute of sequential pressure combustion and a lot of fuel tsk tsk tsk) and a gayish single-spot only peak 350 Nm, at high-rpm of 3500 (wow, 1750 times of sequential pressure combustion tsk tsk tsk).... ahihi....

    Anyone who likes that power characteristic of the so-called "GLS-V" or "GTV" Montysport, can have it by all means, it's their money anyway....
    ....BUT after them spending such hard-earned PhP1.5 M for the "GLS-V" and/or PhP1.7 M for the "GTV" model, they should NEVER NEVER NEVER even try driving the cheaper yet way way better performing PhP1.55 M Hyundai Santa Fe CRDi electronic VGT....
    .....FOR BY THEN, they will realise it that they wasted their money BIGTIME going for the "publicity only lesser substance" Montysport so-called 4-speed tranny "GLS-V" and 5-speed tranny "GTV".... and moreso, it will be harder for them to stomach....
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    • dominic May 15 2011 @ 12:45pm
      I agree with you sir, welcome back to the comment world!
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 01:05pm
    looks like someone thinks that Santa Fe is better than having a SUV that has paddle shifters in its class, big interior (Santa Fe's 3rd row is tight, my uncle used to have one, he trade it to a MS GTV), macho looks (well for me and my dad Santa Fe looks fat like the Fortuner), high ground clearance and affordable(GLS-V P1,408,000 & GTV 1,688,000) compared to Santa Fe (Diesel 4X2 P1,558,000 & 4X4 P1,788,000).
    Last modified May 15 2011 @ 02:19pm
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 01:11pm
      And looks like someone forgot that Mitsu and Hyundai were partners B4 (one of the evidence, Hyundai Grace and Mitsu L300 Exceed)
  • dominic May 15 2011 @ 01:20pm
    Does having a multi-info display w navi system and paddle shifters really answers the needs of the letter sender? come on
  • dominic May 15 2011 @ 01:23pm
    for your info, SF already has an navi system. http://myhyundai.com.ph/vehicles.php?car=31&type=3&sub=specs
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 02:17pm
    QUOTE (dominic): for your info, SF already has an navi system. http://myhyundai.com.ph/vehicles.php?car=31&type=3&sub=specs

    @dominic: Boss Dominic, LOL!!!! Hahahaha!
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 02:36pm
    @Kyoichi Sudo:

    Haha! Looks like you're romancing the very old past my friend (1975) and attribute the success of Hyundai Motors over the last 20 years to Mitsubishi.... tsk tsk tsk....
    ....Is this how SHALLOW now Mitsu fanatics have become due to envy? May pagka-sentimento ka pala bosing ahihi ahoho....

    Well, lemme give you a ride of history my bosing Mitsu fanatic, lend me your ear haha!

    Lumalaki ang HYUNDAI-KIA (in fact, they are now the 2nd-largest Asian auto maker next to Toyota and now the 4th-largest in the world recently just stumping Ford Motors to 5th spot) BECAUSE they are FAR BETTER....
    ....SO FAR BETTER that Hyundai-Kia is the MOST-EFFICIENT car manufacturing conglomerate in the world in terms of operating cost, that not even Toyota can compete with.

    DAIMLER-CHRYSLER is a German and American-merged company, NOT a Japanese entity like Mitsubishi-Fuso, maker of trucks and buses.... and Hyundai made a "strategic alliance" with Daimler-Chrysler in year 2000, AND NOT with Mitsubishi Motors. Moreover, "strategic-alliance" DOES NOT connote owning a company and neither imposing into its proprietary rights of designing and building an engine, for example....

    Daimler-Chrysler JUST happens to hold a major stake with Mitsubishi-Fuso and THAT has NOTHING to do with Hyundai Motors of South Korea....

    The 1975 used of a Mitsubishi motor by Hyundai's Pony car is HISTORY, as a MATTER OF FACT.... Besides, even years prior to that, Hyundai's Cortina car was released under the cooperation with FORD Motors, and Hyundai also contacted BRITISH LEYLAND when the company wanted to develop its own car....
    ....AND Hyundai had SINCE developed its OWN "proprietary" engine (meaning, its ORIGINAL product and not by any other company) in 1991, and that has been 20 years now as a standalone company.

    Hyundai is by any RIGHT a standalone-self sufficient producer of its own cars and engines even before it made an alliance with Daimler-Chrysler, which is NOT Mitsubishi by any means....

    Being No. 4 largest automaker in the world and 2nd to TOYOTA Motors as Asian largest automaker says a lot of the accomplishments of Hyundai-Kia as a STANDALONE company....

    Well, in contrast, Mitsubishi is NOT even in the Top 10 world's largest automaker group, and you have to stomach this fact haha!!!!

    DAHIL SA GALING ng Hyundai-Kia yan that's why they are riding high, and NOT by any other company....
    ....and CERTAINLY NOT because of Mitsubishi, which is by far the cheapest shot i have ever heard from someone haha!!!!
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 02:39pm
    http://mitsubishi-motors.com.ph/monterosport-gtv/feature12.php, i bet the Santa Fe can't do this one, maybe the Fortuner can, but not the Santa Fe
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    • dominic May 15 2011 @ 03:11pm
      alin dito sir ung gusto mong ipakita?
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 02:50pm
    @dtkiko, my friend, Visit this- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors.......... i'll just show you the site because i'm not as sipag as you
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 03:04pm
    DaimlerChrysler-Mitsubishi alliance
    Two years after the merger of Daimler and Chrysler to form DCX, the U.S.-German conglomerate paid US$1.9 billion for a controlling 34 percent of MMC, in an effort to fulfil chairman Schrempp's vision of a "Welt AG" ("world corporation"). The price reflected a US$200 million discount on the originally agreed figure, caused by the public disclosure of the defect cover-up scandal. In March 2001 it increased its stake to 37.3 percent when it acquired Volvo's stake in MMC's truck-making operations, further boosting Mercedes' share of a market it already dominated. However, boardroom wrangles at DCX in April 2004 prevented them offering financial assistance as Mitsubishi attempted to reduce its crippling debts. When a US$4 billion rescue package was agreed with Tokyo-based Phoenix Capital in May 2004, DCX's stake was reduced to 23 percent, and further recapitalisations subsequently diluted the holding to 12.4 percent. Finally, on November 11, 2005, the remaining stock was sold for US$1.1 billion Âan US$800 million loss in five years. Three days later the buyer, investment bank Goldman Sachs, sold the shares on for US$80 million profit.
    New major stockholder Phoenix Capital followed suit the following month, selling all but 50 million of its 575 million shares to JPMorgan on December 9, 2005. Once again, the investment bank offloaded their purchase within a few days for tens of millions in profit. In both cases, the eventual buyers were part of the Mitsubishi keiretsu, returning MMC to Japanese ownership.

    Other alliances


    Volvo
    Mitsubishi participated in a joint venture with rival car-maker Volvo and the Dutch government at the former DAF plant in Born in 1991. The operation, branded NedCar, began producing the first generation Mitsubishi Carisma alongside the Volvo S40/V40 in 1996.
    The Dutch government sold out to its partners in 1999 and Volvo, by now owned by Ford, sold its stake to Mitsubishi in early 2001 to leave the Japanese company as the only remaining shareholder. The factory currently produces the latest Mitsubishi Colt and superminis (partner DaimlerChrysler cancelled production of theColt-based Smart Fortwo in 2006). Production of European market-bound Mitsubishi Outlanders, and badge engineered versions of this vehicle, are also be manufactured in the Netherlands.


    PSA Peugeot Citroen
    Mitsubishi have been allied with PSA Peugeot Citroen since 1999, after they agreed to co-operate on the development of diesel engines using the Japanese company's gasoline direct injection (GDI) technology. They united again in 2005 to develop the Peugeot 4007 and Citroen C-Crosser sport utility vehicles (SUVs), based on the Japanese company's Mitsubishi Outlander.
    Two further ties were established between the companies in 2008, first with the establishment of a jointly-owned production facility in Kaluga which will manufacture up to 160,000 Outlander-based SUVs for the fast-growing Russian market. They are also collaborating in the research and development of electric powertrains for small urban vehicles. Japanese newspaper Nikkei claims that Peugeot Citroen will sell the electric city car Mitsubishi i MiEV in Europe by 2011.


    Colt & Lonsdale
    The Colt name appears frequently in Mitsubishi's history since its introduction as a rear-engined 600cc sedan in the early 1960s. Today, it most commonly refers to the Mitsubishi Colt subcompact in the company's line-up, but is also the name of MMC's import/distribution company in the United Kingdom, the Colt Car Company, established in 1974. For the first decade of its existence, before Far Eastern auto manufacturers had established their reputations, its cars carried the "Colt" badge in Britain instead of "Mitsubishi".
    In 1982 & '83, Mitsubishi introduced the Australian-built Chrysler Sigma to the UK as the Lonsdale Sigma in an attempt to circumvent British import quotas, but the new brand was unsuccessful. It then carried Mitsubishi Sigma badges in 1983 before abandoning this operation entirely.


    Proton
    Proton of Malaysia was initially very dependent on this Japanese company, only assembling their 1985 Proton Saga using MMC components at a newly established facility in Shah Alam. Subsequent models like the Wira and Perdana were based on the Lancer/Colt and Galant/Eterna respectively, before the company finally produced an entirely self-developed vehicle with 2001's Waja, and the 2004's Proton Gen-2. At its peak, the carmaker controlled 75 percent of its domestic market, even after Mitsubishi ended their 22-year partnership in 2005, selling their 7.9 percent stake for RM384 million to Khazanah Nasional Berhad. However, in October 2008, Proton renewed its technology transfer agreements with MMC, and the Proton Inspira [Proton Waja replacement] is to be based on the Mitsubishi Lancer platform and official launched on 10 November 2010.


    Hyundai
    Hyundai of South Korea, built the Hyundai Pony in 1975 using MMC's Saturn engine and transmissions. Korea's first car, it remained in production for thirteen years. Mitsubishi held up to a 10 percent stake in the company, until disposing of the last of its remaining shares in March 2003.
    Last modified May 15 2011 @ 03:11pm
    • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 03:15pm
      Haha!!!! Ano ba yan! ahihi ahoho ayayay!!!!
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 03:08pm
    @Kyoichi Sudo:

    Hijo, like i said.... i've seen and done enough hardcore offroading para PAGYABANGAN ako ng Mitsubishi mo....
    ....In fact those are NOT even hardcore offroading that Mitsu publicity (like i said) is bragging in its website.... Hindi lang Monterosport minamanejo ko hijo diyan sa atin sa Pinas at mga Isuzu DMax pickups sa offroad, nagdi-dirtbike pa ako hijo....

    Dito sa trabajo ko sa mineral exploration and mining, for the past 14 years todate, araw-araw kaming nag-mamanejo sa offroad gamit ay mga Toyota Hilux, Isuzu DMax, Mitsubishi Triton (Strada sa atin), Toyota Fortuner, Mitsubishi Pajerosport (Monterosport sa atin), at Toyota Prado ----
    AND honestly, WALANG binatbat yang Monterosport mo hijo, stock-for-stock, kung ilaban mo babaran sa 3-litre DMax, 3-litre Hilux, at 3-litre Fortuner sa akyatan, kargahan, at sa tibay lalo na kung slippery ang kalsada.... Masiadong baby pa nga yang Monterosport namin dito (Pajerosport) dahil nakaka-80,000 km pa lang lumilitaw na mga sira sa offroad, samantala ang DMax, naka-340,000 km na arangkada pa rin....

    Kung offroad lang hijo, huwag mo na akong pagmayabangan lalo na kung ikw mismo ay hindi naman nag-o-offroad and certainly i bet even your two balls hindi mo dadalhin yang Monetrosport "GTV" sa hardcore offroading....

    Just my honest opinion hijo....
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 03:26pm
      dude, may dirtbike din kami, dalawa pa nga mountain bike ko at sa dad ko (ehem hnd ung mga mumurahin, more than P180,000 ang cost ng 4 na mga bike namin) at may Nissan Navara, Honda City din kami akala mo ba mitsu kotse namin? But i'm Glad that what you think of Monty is just your opinion, don't worry, all that i have said to your Santa Fe is just my opinions too (and others).
      Last modified May 15 2011 @ 03:32pm
      • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 03:35pm
        Wow, 4 na dirtbike for only PhP180,000? Saan nabili yan? Napakamura naman....
        Try searching for the import price of a Yamaha YZ125 and Yamaha YZ250 shipped all the way across the Pacific from Southern California.... and let's stop bragging here hijo about our possesions....

        Let's refrain from induging here further, although other than SUV's, pickups and AUV's as a family we own a fleet of 20-wheelers to support our family business.... enough said hijo....
        • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 04:29pm
          4 ang Mountain Bikes hnd dirtbikes, isa lng dirtbike nmn
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 03:16pm
    @Kyoichi Sudo (UULITIN KO HA HIJO HEHE):

    Haha! Looks like you're romancing the very old past my friend (1975) and attribute the success of Hyundai Motors over the last 20 years to Mitsubishi.... tsk tsk tsk....
    ....Is this how SHALLOW now Mitsu fanatics have become due to envy? May pagka-sentimento ka pala bosing ahihi ahoho....

    Well, lemme give you a ride of history my bosing Mitsu fanatic, lend me your ear haha!

    Lumalaki ang HYUNDAI-KIA (in fact, they are now the 2nd-largest Asian auto maker next to Toyota and now the 4th-largest in the world recently just stumping Ford Motors to 5th spot) BECAUSE they are FAR BETTER....
    ....SO FAR BETTER that Hyundai-Kia is the MOST-EFFICIENT car manufacturing conglomerate in the world in terms of operating cost, that not even Toyota can compete with.

    DAIMLER-CHRYSLER is a German and American-merged company, NOT a Japanese entity like Mitsubishi-Fuso, maker of trucks and buses.... and Hyundai made a "strategic alliance" with Daimler-Chrysler in year 2000, AND NOT with Mitsubishi Motors. Moreover, "strategic-alliance" DOES NOT connote owning a company and neither imposing into its proprietary rights of designing and building an engine, for example....

    Daimler-Chrysler JUST happens to hold a major stake with Mitsubishi-Fuso and THAT has NOTHING to do with Hyundai Motors of South Korea....

    The 1975 used of a Mitsubishi motor by Hyundai's Pony car is HISTORY, as a MATTER OF FACT.... Besides, even years prior to that, Hyundai's Cortina car was released under the cooperation with FORD Motors, and Hyundai also contacted BRITISH LEYLAND when the company wanted to develop its own car....
    ....AND Hyundai had SINCE developed its OWN "proprietary" engine (meaning, its ORIGINAL product and not by any other company) in 1991, and that has been 20 years now as a standalone company.

    Hyundai is by any RIGHT a standalone-self sufficient producer of its own cars and engines even before it made an alliance with Daimler-Chrysler, which is NOT Mitsubishi by any means....

    Being No. 4 largest automaker in the world and 2nd to TOYOTA Motors as Asian largest automaker says a lot of the accomplishments of Hyundai-Kia as a STANDALONE company....

    Well, in contrast, Mitsubishi is NOT even in the Top 10 world's largest automaker group, and you have to stomach this fact haha!!!!

    DAHIL SA GALING ng Hyundai-Kia yan that's why they are riding high, and NOT by any other company....
    ....and CERTAINLY NOT because of Mitsubishi, which is by far the cheapest shot i have ever heard from someone haha!!!!
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 15 2011 @ 03:33pm
    cge dude, log-out muna ako, laro pa ako ng Initial D 4 d2 sa moa, gagalawin ko muna Evo 9 ko at pupunta pa ako ng Mitsu Expo
  • jesslink May 15 2011 @ 04:21pm
    whew!! todo na ba yan?! pati pato't panabla tinaya na rin...lahat na ng marketing strategy nilabas na...hahaha
  • 17Sphynx17 May 15 2011 @ 05:01pm
    I think the comments are straying.

    Anyway, I would like to help in putting us back on track.

    I think off-roading is one of the least of our letters sender (Mr. David's) concerns given his stated destination. Although being able to handle a bit of rugged road is a welcome inclusion.

    4x4s are not what he is looking for.

    Our family purchased the 4x2 montero for the following reason:
    - we crossed out the alterra from our list because we wanted a car that wasn't dated (personal opinion - don't flame me for this)
    - the fortuner we felt was more bouncy at the back if you had fewer passengers compared to the montero (too much for our liking) with 1-4 pax on board which we didn't deem comfortable.
    - the middle row of the montero was adjustable to provide better legroom for the back row (which the fortuner didn't)
    - we had a maximum allowable budget (with financing) of 1.4m so we had crossed out the sta fe/sorento from our list
    - we wanted a diesel

    Are we happy with our purchase? Yes, we are happy with our purchase.

    Was it the best choice for us? Yes, for our circumstance.

    Would others have chosen the same? No, I doubt it would be the case.

    Can we agree to disagree on how we choose vehicles? I think we can, as adults, keep our discussions on a proper level without going into a frenzy and becoming violent.

    Good luck Sir David on your purchase. I'm sure you will make a decision which suits you best given the information that is available/presented to you.

    May you enjoy many miles with the car of your choosing. =)
  • vansxtrme23 May 15 2011 @ 07:06pm
    pagpasensyahan n'yo na yan. Just admit that you're a Mitsu hater and a Hyundai-Kia lover.
  • 9020ely May 15 2011 @ 07:13pm
    david want's a 4x2 suv only, no argument sta fe it is...peace;-))
  • Feeter Silverster May 15 2011 @ 07:34pm
    The only problem I can see on Hyundai Santa Fe and Kia Sorento is the limited wheel arch, there will be difficulty to fit larger wheels (e.g 20-inch and larger) which is no problem with Japanese makes.
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 18 2011 @ 05:56pm
      your right, one thing i forgot to tell dtkiko
      • Kyoichi Sudo May 18 2011 @ 06:12pm
        our neighbor owns a Monty 3.2 GLS SE, riding on 20" rims
  • icrep98 May 15 2011 @ 07:50pm
    buy the 2011 STA FE bro... i got one @1.58M and 50K discounted price last feb. you wont regret you can feel the G upon stepping the pedal.hehehe try to test drive 1. fuel consumption super tipid cabagan isabela to lipa city batangas for 1 full tank may tira p ahon p yan sa bundok ng Viscaya sta fe 600 km via SCTEX NLEX SLEX STARTOLLWAY. isang kutsara lng per km mo.hahaha 2000rpm=130kph; 2800rpm=180kph
  • icrep98 May 15 2011 @ 07:52pm
    Hi, Botchi!

    I love Top Gear Philippines so much! I visit your website to read other articles and the latest news.

    My tita and my tito are planning to buy a sport-utility vehicle but they can't decide whether they should get the 2.2-liter two-wheel drive Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT or the 2.5-liter Mitsubishi Montero Sport. These are two great SUVs but they just canât decide.

    They asked me what Iâll choose but I can't decide either. They are both good-looking SUVs. Hope you can shed some light here. Weâd also appreciate if you could suggest other SUVs.

    More power to you and Top Gear. Top Gear rocks!

    Sincerely yours,

    Kenneth

    Hi, Kenneth!

    You're in luck. Rumors are flying around that Mitsubishi is introducing a revamped Montero Sport with a 5- or 6-speed automatic transmission, paddle shifters and a variable geometry turbine making anywhere between 170hp to 180hp--targeting the Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2l R-eVGT variant. If you can wait a bit more, then your options should be much more interesting.

    As of now though, the Santa Fe is king of the highway-speed-demon SUV class as its powerful CRDi engine mated with the R-eVGT turbine and 6-speed automatic has no equal on the road despite having a displacement of only 2.2 liters. Its rivals all displace 3.0 liters or more yet they offer less peak torque and horsepower figures.

    Thanks to the crossover unibody construction, the Santa Fe is far more refined, handles much better and rides much more comfortably than the Montero Sport, the Toyota Fortuner, the Isuzu D-Max and the Ford Everest--all of which utilize a ladder-on-frame chassis design.

    The Santa Fe also rides significantly lower, is easier to get in and out of and has a far roomier interior. Clearly, for the average FIlipino who wants decent flood-wading capability, the Santa Fe is nigh on unbeatable.

    The Santa Fe though takes poorly to off-roading because its independent front and rear suspension give it too much independent wheel articulation, which lessens its dynamic ground clearance--something the other SUVs, with their solid-axle rear ends, do not have a problem with.

    So there you have it, hope this helps you, your aunt and your uncle out. Take care, God bless and good luck!

    Best Regards,

    Botchi Santos
    Consumer editor
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 07:53pm
    17Sphynx17:

    Sir, being contented with such purchases especially after shelling out PhP1.4 M, that person SHOULD condition his mind that he MUST be happy, 'coz he NEEDS to.

    If you ask anybody who has bought the Santa Fe instead, they too would say that they're happy....

    Therefore, any purchases on cars that have something to do with ones happiness and contentment is subjective to every one's palate....
    Last modified May 15 2011 @ 08:16pm
  • GTi May 15 2011 @ 08:06pm
    Among the three I'd get the Montero Sport for the top end power or a Ford Everest 3.0 for the low and mid end grunt. Or the Santa Fe 2.2ReVGT.
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 08:14pm
    Feeter Silverster: In the same manner sir, the problem with the high-profile, much publicised and "overrated" Monterosport is that after trying so hard to chase after the Santa Fe in the power-department, the gayish Montysport is only good enough for 178 metric-hp (at 4000 rpm) and 350 Nm peak torque (at 3500 rpm tsk tsk tsk), worse, delivered at high rpms only and single-spot along the rev range ahihi....
    ....4 years now had past and still going, the Hyundai Santa Fe is basically unscatched and unparalled, engine-wise (197 metric-hp, 435 Nm peak torque from a generous and lower 2000 rpm to 2500 rpm), its lightweightness and handling/ cornering manners (due to its unibody chassis configuration), and overall safety features (it being rated highest of "5" in Euro NCAP standards)....

    It's a NO-BRAINER to go for the PhP1.55 M Santa Fe for all those industry-setting aspects mentioned above against the almost PhP1.5 M and PhP1.7 M Montysport variants.... ....Anybody would need more than that difference in upfront ownership cost between the Santa Fe and the Montysport to mod the poor Montysport and get it to perform like the Santa Fe, engine-, handling/ cornering-, and safety-wise, and still wouldn't get it GUARANTEED!....
    ....One would have to revise the whole backbone of the Monty to get it handle like the Santa Fe AT THE VERY LEAST and that's a lot of PhP PhP PhP PhP and still the overall components wouldn't fit in hahahaha!
    Last modified May 15 2011 @ 08:17pm
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 08:23pm
    (QUOTE: icrep98)

    "Buy the 2011 STA FE bro... i got one @1.58M and 50K discounted price last feb. you wont regret you can feel the G upon stepping the pedal.hehehe try to test drive 1. fuel consumption super tipid cabagan isabela to lipa city batangas for 1 full tank may tira pa ahon p yan sa bundok ng Viscaya sta fe 600 km via SCTEX NLEX SLEX STARTOLLWAY. isang kutsara lng per km mo.hahaha 2000 rpm =130kph; 2800rpm =180kph"

    WOW sir, you delivered the goods!!!! Couldn't have saith it better by anyone!!!!

    Very nice one!!!! Kudos sir!!!!
  • 17Sphynx17 May 15 2011 @ 10:26pm
    @dtkiko

    I am sorry sir but I would have to disagree with you on the point that we have conditioned ourselves to be happy just because we need to. That is kind of rude.

    When you buy a car, you have the following considerations:
    - What am I looking for?
    - How much can I afford or am I willing to spend?
    - Short term, mid term or long term vehicle?
    - What will I plan to use it for?

    You have the criteria in mind already and then you look for it.

    As I said in a previous post, I agree with you the Sta Fe is definitely better than the Montero 4x4. The fortuner trumps over the montero also when it's against the 4x4.

    If it's a numbers game then how about these numbers.

    The Monterosport 4x2 AT will cost about 1.38M php. The Sta fe 4x2AT discounted will cost 1.58M php.

    Price difference of 200k php.

    Now say you travel an average of 10000kms in a year for the purposes of discussion.

    Monterosport say goes for 8km/l on average.
    The Sta Fe at 10km/l on average. City driving.

    Both run on diesel which lets say cost (fixed on 45php/l).

    let's do the math.

    For the Montero 10000km/8km/l = 1,250liters
    For the Sta Fe 10000km/10km/l = 1,000liters

    On a year to year basis, annual fuel comsumption cost would be as follows:

    Montero 1,250l x 45php = 56,250php
    Sta Fe 1,000lx45php = 45,000php

    What is the fuel consumption difference on a yearly basis for both? The answer is 11, 250php.

    Now, you would like to say yay! I saved 11,250php per month. However, one must not forget that we shelled out an additional 200,000k php just to buy the sta fe. So when do we break even?

    200,000php/11,250php annual fuel costs = 17.78 years

    This excludes increase on the annual interest rates.
    let's just do a quick math. It's not as accurate but we'll use the same formula with the sta fe.

    Montero:
    1.38m php - 20% dp @ 10% annual interest assuming through bank financing.

    276k php downpayment. remaining balance @ 1.104m

    20% of balance paid as interest = 220.8k

    Sta Fe
    1.58m php - 20% dp @ 10% annual interest assuming through bank financing.

    316k php downpayment. remaining balance @ 1.264m php

    20% of balance paid as interest = 252.8k

    Difference in the interest montero against the sta fe = additional 30k php.

    We haven't yet to consider the cost of ownership of the two. Insurance premiums, regular maintenance schedules etc.

    And for the savings of the monterosport against the sta fe of apporximately 230k. I can use that either for business, investments, for the rainy days or just leave it in a bank to earn interest.

    Yes the sta fe would kick my *ss in a drag race if I use our montero, but do I care no! Why? Because why the hell would I drag race my SUV?

    Can the Montero carry cargo too like the Sta Fe? Yes. And I am happy to have carried without stress to my vehicle 8 adults plus luggage and the car didn't even yield to the load I put in it.

    But is the Sta Fe better if you don't consider the price? Yes, it might be the best on the sub 2 million peso range. But if price is not an issue then I doubt the Sta Fe would still be king right?

    Again I would like to reiterate my statement, I have yet to see a single advertisement also that Mitsubishi has claimed that they are the only ones with Variable Geometry Turbos or their equivalent acronyms with other manufacturers.

    Simply put the statement that Mitsubishi flaunts that the ads make it like they are, are unfounded. It's like putting additional words into their mouths. As such, they did not put any false advertising yet.

    Emphasis was put on the VGT, yes. Why? Well because it is the most notable change to the vehicle. There was a significant change to it so what do you do? You tell the people that it is what you changed.

    Don't advertisers do that with other brands as well with what they've changed? The all new (facelifted) 2011/2012 "car model" here. with all new grille/tail finisher/headlights etc etc.
    • dominic May 15 2011 @ 11:10pm
      MS 4x2 = 1,408 ,000 not 1,380,000
      SF 2wd = 1,558, 000 not 1,580,000

      So sir will you agree with me na it's worth to buy a Sonata than Camry and Accord? there's a big difference in price tag to, but the Sonata gives more than the 2
      • 17Sphynx17 May 15 2011 @ 11:32pm
        You can actually get a 20k discount on some dealers for the montero 4x2. Well that is what we got when we bought ours. I don't know if that applies now though given the shortage of parts to make new ones.

        Thank you for correcting me on the SF price. I only based the 1.58m on one of the posts.

        And as for the question if the Sonata is worth buying or considering against the Camry and Accord, my answer is yes. The look alone makes you want to look again. Price is also no question as it has been priced better compared to the two.

        I haven't read anything bad about any of the 3 cars. Just that if you want to be driven, you choose a Camry. If you want a drivers car, you usually pick the Accord. But with the addition of the Sonata, it's a whole different ballgame now. Especially with the new consumer reports that made a Kia mid size sedan a better pick/higher rating over the Accord (http://autos.yahoo.com/news/consumer-reports--kia-sedan-tops-honda-accord.html). Plus, with the Sonata you get more "toys" inside as far as options/accessories go. =)

        I also haven't heard any bad stories with regards to after sales of hyundai (we had a bad experience(s) with kia after sales just last year but again that is still a different entity/company under different management).

        So my answer is yes. As long as it ticks most, if not all, of the boxes of what you are looking for in the car you want to purchase. =)
        • dominic May 15 2011 @ 11:43pm
          thanks for the response sir
        • Kyoichi Sudo May 18 2011 @ 05:52pm
          correction, the Monty GLS-V 4x2 cost 1.408M
  • dtkiko May 15 2011 @ 11:37pm
    QUOTE (dominic):

    MS 4x2 = 1,408,000 not 1,380,000
    SF 2wd = 1,558,000 not 1,580,000

    Hahahaha!!!! i can see that Mr. 17Sphynx17 is just concoting things up haha! Adulterated with some lies to it haha!!!!

    Actually, the brand new Santa Fe goes only for PhP1.53 M.... and that lesser variant Monterosport he was mentioning is the 136 hp only and 314 Nm only Montysport, which INCIDENTALLY WE ALSO HAVE, kaya hindi niya ako mabobola, even on cost, which is almost already PhP1.4 M....

    Bukod sa malakas ng kumain ng crudo itong lesser Monterosport kaysa Hyundai Santa Fe, at maingay din ang makina nito (wika ko nga parang Isuzu Crosswind lang na malaki ahihi), sobrang under-perfromance pa ito kumpara mo sa Santa Fe ----- napakalayo ng product quality at superiority ng Santa Fe.... langit at lupa ah!

    Tapos ako pa pagmamayabanagan ni Mr. sphynx sa cost at breakeven cost, eh samantala isa yan sa mga trabajo namin dito sa mga project valuation studies other than engineering ahihi....
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 07:47am
      Actually sir we got ours at a dealer for 1.38m. If you can also read my reply to sir dominic, I did stay that I thank him for the correction on the price. That is all sir.
  • docmart70 May 15 2011 @ 11:42pm
    well said mr sphinx, as much as I LOVE reading the commentaries of a certain know-it-all and an inexperienced fanBOY who thinks mitsu can do no wrong, their posts often stray from the topic at hand just to show us how knowledgeable they are on the history and technical capabilities of their favorite vehicles often putting out reasons that are downright inappropriate if not rude just to prove their point. Anyways rant on gentlemen, hence i suffer a lecture on history of their favored brands. stay on the topic at hand boys. . .
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 07:50am
      yes sir. I agree with you 100%. I am trying to make it clear to some who rant/rave here that owners who post on WCRC need us as posters to keep our eye on the prize and help him make a decision.

      Again as you can see from my posts, or get from them. The monterosport is not perfect. But it's just perfect for what I need that is why I give inputs on what I gather from my experience citing of course the conditions I subject the car to. =)
  • macpro May 15 2011 @ 11:50pm
    Very well said sir sphynx. I agree with you. We should always respect each other's opinions and thoughts. We can agree to disagree. After all, buyers have different needs and priorities in choosing vehicles. I hope we can get back on track.
    I also have been test driving these suvs lately.
    In my case, i really need the 4x4 off road capability because of the nature of my work. The fortuner is good off-road and I like the interior but I find the ride too firm and uncomfortable. Thats the deal-breaker for me. I dont consider the alterra as I really dont like it's styling. As for the santa fe, it has a very nice ride, power and features but it's off-road capability is very limited. It is after all a crossover. I should know as my friend's santa fe couldn't even begin to go anywhere near our farm. My own crv has not set foot to my farm eversince. I have my sights towards the montero since it is the complete package. As I stated in my previous post, the montero has more than sufficient power, more than needed off-road capability, has a very comfortable ride and it looks good too. It is a true suv and does not pretend to be anything else.
  • dtkiko May 16 2011 @ 12:00am
    No matter how you Mitsu fanatics put, the overrated and publicity-hungry Montysport is still inferior to the less-publicity close-to 200 hp Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT.

    Like some of us here have opined and have experienced on them "Koreans let their cars do the talking".... unlike Mitsu's hehe....
  • dtkiko May 16 2011 @ 12:59am
    17Sphynx17:

    Hijo, anyone who is programmed to last his vehicle for 17.78 years is asking for trouble....hehe....

    While you brag about your elementary arithmetic and payback period on the difference, haven't you just realised it that at any-one time anyone "could" be selling his vehicle in say 3 to 5 years time, not after 17.78 years? Hehe....
    ....That PhP130k difference between the way better almost 200 hp Hyundai Santa Fe versus your and our measly-136 hp 2010 Montysport (that is PhP1.53 M minus PhP1.40 M) can be gained outright when you sell those units as second-hands, and easily you would gain more from the depreciated price of the Santa Fe than the much depreciated value of the Montysport by that time....
    ....and yet at the same time, you have had the great time to ride a way better vehicle, the Santa Fe, in the process! ---- C'mon 200 hp for the much-better Santa Fe against a measly 136 hp for the Monty for a price difference of PhP130,000 only.... Say, ain't it worth it haha!

    Naintindihan mo ba hijo????
    ....Food-for-thought for Mitsu fanatics hehe....
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 07:58am
      actually sir, on average our family uses cars for about 10-15 years before we sell it.

      The carens was an exception because it just proved to much of a headache in terms of maintenance.

      We used to have an innova but that got flooded, only last 4 years.

      Also sir, the comparo in relation to php was simply to see/project when it would be possible for the sta fe to receperate the additional expense it incurred against the 4x2 montero (not the 4x4 sir).

      Again, I appreciate the correction on the price, you can easily adjust the math for yourselves based on the comments correct sir? So it shouldn't be a problem.

      As you can also see in my posts sir, I am not a fanatic and you should get that out of your system sir.

      What we are trying to help Mr. David in understanding is, based on what I post is, what type of driver I am.

      The reason being is he may be on a similar wavelength sir.

      If he is after more horsepower, then Sta Fe wins. If he is after better torque, then the Sta Fe wins. If he can afford it, then the Sta Fe wins.

      Please understand sir what some posters are doing.

      I don't come out and simply post "Mitsubishi FTW!". I lay out what my thoughts are, same with other posters and keep an open mind. I would like to keep the discussions on this thread at civil as possible sir without bashing on others.

      Thank you sir and have a nice day! =)
      • dtkiko May 16 2011 @ 09:49am
        No worries hijo, was just messing at you.... no pun intended really....

        i could live with a PhP130k difference for a much better vehicle, e.g. 200-hp Santa Fe as against the 136-hp Monty.

        And prolly, binata ka pa hijo ---- try to aspire something better while you can hijo. Take it from me, you only get to that being "binata" and "accomplished" at the same time once in your life, and while you can, try mo ng bumili ng mas magandang sasakyan.... the next thing you may be able to do that again during your married and familied life is by the time you retire at madami kang ipon.... Just take it from me.

        That PhP130k difference say even in 5 years time when you decide to sell the better Santa Fe, the net present value of that in 5 years is actually worthless na rin....

        Have a nice day as well.... GOD bless you i your endeavours....
  • ev9402 May 16 2011 @ 08:41am
    @17Sphynx17

    Sir, Naadjust po ang second row seats ng Fortuner, and perhaps, even if it's not adjusted, the fortuner has the most comfortable 3rd row seats. Mataas ang hip-point nya. You won't feel na nakaupo ka sa maliit na bangkó.

    Probably the sales agent failed to point this out
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 08:59am
      Thank you sir for the correction. Yes, we weren't informed when we looked around so we didn't notice that tiny bit. As for the 3rd row, my brother had problem with the headroom and he wasn't comrtable when it wasn't moving. He is around 6ft in height so for his position, his head was almost hitting the ceiling.

      I love the aircon design for the mid and rear section though, something I wish they did with the Montero because if it's really hot, it would take a bit longer for the montero to cool down the whole cabin if it's fully loaded because the rear far is just on the right hand side of the 3rd row. The middle row relys mainly on the vents at the front to cool it down.
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 09:00am
      Thank you sir for the correction. Yes, we weren't informed when we looked around so we didn't notice that tiny bit. As for the 3rd row, my brother had problem with the headroom and he wasn't comrtable when it wasn't moving. He is around 6ft in height so for his position, his head was almost hitting the ceiling.

      I love the aircon design for the mid and rear section though, something I wish they did with the Montero because if it's really hot, it would take a bit longer for the montero to cool down the whole cabin if it's fully loaded because the rear fan is just on the right hand side of the 3rd row. The middle row relys mainly on the vents at the front to cool it down.
  • wheelie May 16 2011 @ 09:33am
    ahihihi.. ahoho.. ahihihi..

    (this sounds a lot more gay to me than a driving a monterosport of any variant)

    ahihi ahohoho..
  • dtkiko May 16 2011 @ 09:41am
    Re the May 2011 Isuzu Family Run:

    Has anyone seen yet the result of the recent May 7 or 8, 2011 family fun run conducted by Isuzu Inteco Quezon Ave. where a bone-stock 3-litre Alterra auto-tranny posted a mileage of 22.53 km per litre????
    ....It even bested the participating Crosswinds and DMaxs that could only post around 21.5 km per litre mileage.

    Is that how Alterras can get even with that standard OEM paper-type air-filter they plugged into them????
    ....What more if one utilises a K&N filter?
    • 17Sphynx17 May 16 2011 @ 11:15am
      Wow, that is really an amazing fuel economy figure. And with Isuzu's I know it's a bit easier for them to be replicated on real world conditions. If not exact, at least close to it. =) Consistency I guess is the best word for it. =)
  • dtkiko May 16 2011 @ 09:53am
    wheelie:

    You may even adopt it chief, as i see you're getting the acquired taste for it ----
    ---- ahihi ahoho ayayay!
  • godfather74 May 16 2011 @ 10:10am
    Santa Fe is the best! IMHO
  • art May 16 2011 @ 01:03pm
    malamang mas lalong nalito yung letter sender. :P
    ganito na lang... let the letter sender test drive his three choices then let him decide for himself. lahat tayo'y may kanya-kanyang trip pag dating sa mga sasakyan at sa kahit anong bagay.
  • HypnoticSpectre May 16 2011 @ 03:01pm
    To Mr. David,

    Strongly suggest you test drive all of the available SUV in the market. All of them have their strong and weak points... and all of us have different preferences. It is your MONEY and most likely, you'll be DRIVING it for the next 5 years or so... thus choose the SUV that pleases you the most!

    No spec sheet can replace the actual driving pleasure!

    Regards and good luck with your choice.
    Last modified May 16 2011 @ 03:03pm
  • vansxtrme23 May 16 2011 @ 04:57pm
    @david, (letter sender), just test drive the 3 vehicles you've mentioned and you will come up with one answer. Montero. Pogi pa. You can even put up to 26" inch bling bling.:-)
  • AKP1973 May 16 2011 @ 05:03pm
    Anytime soon Hyundai will release the totally new Sta Fe, since the current one has been out there since April of 2006 with only minor cosmetics updates. If I were him, The fresher, lighter, newer KIA Sorento eVGT is where I will put my Php1.4M at. As I've said "TEST DRIVE" and choose the one you love. =)
  • RS500 May 16 2011 @ 07:45pm
    Eto na lang....


    HONDA JAZZ!

    Mas tipid ka pa sa gas, mas ma-angas ang porma, at ULT seats pa! All for 857k(top-of-the-line model) may kotse ka na. O? ano pa hinihintay mo. Magpunta na sa malapit na Honda dealer!
  • godfather74 May 16 2011 @ 08:02pm
    Tama din si AKP1973 - agree with Kia Sorento ReVGT else the Santa Fe would be the best choice IMHO
  • dominic May 16 2011 @ 09:55pm
    Para walang gulo, Sta. Fe if gusto nya mas mabilis, mas comfort, at mas matipid, Monty if gusto nya pwede sa baha, off-road at mas mura, Alterra if gusto nya ng more luggage space at kung fan sya ng noisy engines! Forget the Fortuner! ^_^
    • Kyoichi Sudo May 18 2011 @ 06:04pm
      dude, maingay din ang Monty (tapakan mo ang accelerate pedal nang naka-handbrake hehehehe)
  • IMAS0609 May 18 2011 @ 02:03pm
    Tama !!! pag BAHA ... Monty dapat ... kasi para kang nakasakay sa bangka sa sobrang KITID...hehehe ... kiddingg aside ... we still hope they make some modifications sooner than later (width adjustment, aricon vents in the center, leather seats for mid range variants, etc.)

    The Sta Fe has great features but a lot of people are still not that confident with Hyundai's durability and dependability in the long haul .....

    I really am not sure about the Alterra since i have yet to try one.

    The Fortuner like Botchi pointed out is growing old but note that the Fort has made a lot of owners happy thru the years. This has to come into some consideration. Although fresh and new things are appealing ... new doess not necessarily mean better or at least not in all aspects.

    I would also like to differ from Botchi when he declares the both 4x2G variants of the Fortuner as "grossly underpowered". I hope he qualifies this statement accordingly.

    In the end it has to boil down to the what is importnant to the individual buyer ... what do we really value most? Is it comfort, power, fuel efficientcy, speed? After all ... no one brand will have the best to offer in all categories.
  • Kyoichi Sudo May 18 2011 @ 06:01pm
    wow, mainit pa rin ang comments d2 kahit wla ako
  • barry May 19 2011 @ 02:14pm
    ako, simple lang. hindi na kelangan ng mahabang discussion. montero sport lang o santa fe. pero......kung may all-new 2013 ford everest, wala tayong magagawa. don talaga ako. period! ahihi
  • VGM100 May 19 2011 @ 08:04pm
    Been reading this thread for a while and thought you'd want to hear it from someone who has had both the Santa Fe and Montero Sport.

    Santa Fe:

    What's great:
    Great engine - pulls really strong, 180 kph with ease and it always feels so light
    Comfortable cabin - aircon on 2nd row, it's wider than the montero, but 3rd rows kinda cramped with small windows pa, ride has a floaty american feel to it (which is good) and is even better than the Ford Explorer
    Sleek design - big reason why we chose this over fortuner before. Montero and Fortuner have the macho look, Santa Fe has the maporma look, if you know what I mean.
    Brakes - Very good and handy in emergency stopping maneuvers. I've proven this first hand.

    What needs improvement:
    Transmission Lag - every time I go back to this from the Montero, I notice that the semi-auto tranny doesn't shift as dynamically as the Montero
    Reliability and service from Hyundai - the park lights and headlight bulbs have been replaced more than twice already because napupundi kung nabasa (same with the horn), EGR Valve and rear suspension already replaced because starting to show smoke and ride becoming tagtag. BUT worse part is, Hyundai doesn't want to cover it in warranty (even though pasok pa dapat) so we went to Pit Stop motors to repair it.

    Montero Sport:

    What's great:
    Transmission and Driving Impression - It sounds cliche, but Mitsu really meant the Sport here. It may not pulls as fast as the Santa Fe but it's a lot more fun to drive because of the dynamic tranny and steering.
    Macho looks - At the start, I didn't like it as much but the shape really grows into you. Macho appeal like the Fortuner, na medyo kulang sa Santa Fe (must be the height of the Philippine units. I'm in Europe now and the Santa Fes here seem to have a better stance)
    Reliability - For floods, light offroading, and majority of Philippine roads, it feels more safe and solid than the Santa Fe because no kalampag and suspension seems to take the beating of Philippine roads better.

    What needs improvement:
    Ride is more harsh and not as comfortable as Santa Fe but it's definitely second to the Santa Fe, which surprisingly rides so much better than the Sorento (weird considering they share a lot of things).
    Engine noise - truck-like yung 4m41 but the new VGTs are almost as quiet as the Santa Fes
    Narrow body - Not as wide as the Santa Fe so kind of hard to fit 3 adults in the 3rd row. Then again, the Santa Fe's third row is wide but tight pa rin in the legroom.

    Pretty much all I could think of for now. I'd recommend both and even the Fortuner V, which my girlfriend has. Honestly, spec sheets are just that, and iba talaga if you've tried them all na. But to be specific, if you're gonna use it every day in Philippine roads, I recommend go for Montero Sport and Fortuner. Like I said, the Japanese seem to take the beating of Philippine roads better pa rin. Montero's best to drive. But if it's not your daily transport and you won't keep it for long, use mainly paved roads and highways and most of the time you're just the passenger, the Santa Fe is best. If ever you find your driver too slow, just take over the wheel. =))

    Hope that helps. Whatever you purchase, just be aware of its strengths and try to avoid making it go through its weaknesses. Just sold our Santa Fe and I know I'm going to miss it the same way I'm going to miss the Montero when the time comes that we sell it. All I can say is I'm lucky to have had both and you will too no matter what you choose. =)
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  • dtkiko May 20 2011 @ 10:23am
    VGM100:

    Sir, as far as the Santa Fe in Europe is concerned, i agree with you. Visually, they seem to share a lot of components with our Asian-issue Santa Fe, including the powerplant. The stance is however, a bit taller in the Euro-models. Wherever you go, there are some li'l differentiation on models at each continent as far as Hyundai and Kia cars are concerned, unlike some Japanese-made, PARTICULARLY Isuzu, where it offer models of the same names at every continent BUT are far differentiated from each other. Been in Europe 2008 'til early 2010 due to my job.

    I also agree with you on the account of the engine noise on the Monterosport ---- it is really noisy, just like driving a big/ taller Isuzu Crosswind as i described oftentimes in the previous posts. There is really nothing exceptional and nothing to be taken about the Monterosport other than the publicity surrounding it, in all honesty. It's just the publicity surrounding it that conditions people to believe it hehe....

    We also happen to own a 2010 Monterosport, a Crosswind XT, and DMax's that's why my point of comparison as to the engine noise....

    Now, as far as the Japanese-mades being more durable in Philippine-roads than the Korean Kimchi's, as observed, NOT all Japanese though are any more durable than the Korean mades....
    ....While it's true that if you compare the Santa Fe against the Fortuner, Monterosport, and most especially, against the Isuzu Alterra, in terms of durability, there's no question it will be outlasted by the Japanese.... BUT, take the Japanese high-ends like the Prado as your daily driver, and subject it to the same abuse that you would do to your Fortuner, Monty, and Alterra, it too can't outlast the middle-class SUV's. I don't know, but perhaps, it has something to do with the chassis-rigidity or the conventional telescopic-type suspension (these are rigid!) and coil spring against the much flushier suspension set-up of the Prado.... i really do not know.... But we can somehow surmise here that the Santa Fe uses quite sophisticated suspension seup and all 4-suspensions of it are independent.... It also utilises a unibody-chassis configuration unlide the heavier and far-rigid ladder-frame of the Alterra, Monty, and Forty....

    In my job out here right now, in the jungles of Borneo, we have all sorts of 4x4's as our daily drivers ---- namely, Isuzu DMax, Toyota Hilux, Mitsubishi Triton (our Strada in Phils.), Toyota Fortuner, and Toyota Prado's....
    ....To tell you the truth, the Prado's are the vehicles that require the most attention, frequent repairs (transmission, steering, and sometime electricals)....
    ....Any high-end (say we arguably qualify the Santa Fe and the Kia Sorento, for argument's sake) like the Prado cannot seem to cope up as well with the abuses we throw at them unlike we do to our middle-of-the-road cars like the DMax, Hilux, Triton and Fortuner....

    I can also surmise, that of all the 3 SUV's in question here by Mr. David, the Isuzu Alterra will outlast any Fortuner and Monterosport in the road.... and this is also basing from the DMax we're using here ---- it's exclusively being used for offroad AND it has served us well and still on-going over the last plus 340,000 km odo and it hasn't fail us any bit....

    But, like you said sir, any of these (Santa Fe, Monty, Forty, and lemme include the Alterra), that the gentleman Mr. David will end up with owning, he'd be satisfied and contented....
  • TEXAN-boy May 21 2011 @ 01:18pm
    we abuse my father's D-max, after 8 months one of the rear shocks puffs & then expense.
    topic--get the new model Monty, Mitsu just tweaks the 4d56 into the so called Common rail VGT due to it's known down to earth.
  • dominic May 22 2011 @ 12:27am
    Ano na kaya napili ni Mr. David?
  • dtkiko May 26 2011 @ 10:19am
    @Dominic:
    Sir, nag-BMW X3 na daw si Mr. David dahil sa labo-labong advice natin dito haha!
  • dominic May 27 2011 @ 08:18pm
    hahahaha! much better ^^ may fb ka sir?
  • Oris F1 Jul 14 2011 @ 02:28pm
    @ dtkiko...

    Who says hinahabol ng monty GTV ang Hyundai Sta Fe mo?

    If you claim that koreans make their cars do the tallking...then you're right! I rest my case hijo! Ang dami talagang "low brains" dito sa pinas for choosing the "trying hard, overrated and gaying montero sport" over the hyundai SF.

    Here is something for you hijo..http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/mitsubishi-motors-philippines-leads-commercial-vehicle-segment

    Now I will let the people do the talking for us....good luck with your Hyundai SF! Musta na nga pala kayo?
  • Rtyle79 Sep 07 2011 @ 12:47pm
    For the person pushing the issue of the Santa Fe having more Torque & hp over the Montero, yes its is very true. The reason being because it is a Front-wheel drive SUV (what a shame) flat roads it may be faster but going up hill that front wheeler is going to have a hell of a time pulling a frame of that size as compared to a rear wheeler of the same size spec. Front wheel SUV's can do the job going up, but the beating that the engine will get as compared to a rear wheel plays a big factor. Please know why car makers put additional power rather than just comparing numbers, if you're after speed & you purchase an SUV...man you bought the wrong kind of automobile. That's why they make sports cars, duh! Since you love numbers, lets talk numbers where is Montero now in terms of sales? Now that's an undeniable fact. And lastly, how the hell did it ever cross your mind to compare a Fortuner 3.0 to Montero 2.5??? Geeesh! Why not be fair & compare a Fortuner 2.5 & a Montero 2.5, oh yeah that because for 2 years the 2.5 engine of the Fortuner had stalling issues, most specifically in high speeds.

    Next time if you're going to compare vehicles be subjective and make sure the factors are of the same spec or variants, if not something close.

    And yes I do own all 3 vehicles mentioned above the Santa Fe where you clearly when off topic & off the grid I may add.

    Can our Santa Fe's do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKvRmOCIZG0&feature=player_embedded I wouldn't dare attempt it. I wouldn't hesitate on a Montero, Fortuner & Alterra though. And just in case you're asking why I'd cross floods that deep, because nature can & you can never say when its going to strike.

    Drive safely!
  • dhryfusc Nov 26 2011 @ 08:18pm
    Proven and tested na try ko na napatakbo ko 2010 2.5 toyota fortuner ko ng 180 to 200 kilometer per hour. Ang ginawa ko pinatay ko aircon ko at ang ginamit kong diesel yong pinakamahal na diesel. Higit sa lahat nag iisa lang ako. Sisiw na sisiw lahat ng suv.
  • dhryfusc Nov 26 2011 @ 08:48pm
    Nakakatakot kung may montero sa likod mo baka ka suwagin ng montro na parang toro na na smoke belching ang ilong dahil mausok. Bakit kaya pinasara ang web site ng montero accident siguro natatakot dahil mga lemon car ang mga montero. Isa pa yayaman ang lto sa paghuhuli sa kanila. Nakita nyo naman kung ilang montero ang na involved sa monteroacident.com. 102 horse power ng fortuner na walang intercooler. Papano kaya ang montero walang intercooler malamang 80 hp lng. D4d engine ang gamit na gamit na makina sa lansangan kasi halos d4d van ang tumatakbo. Yan ang the best observation. Tingnan nyo na lng kung gaano karami tumatakbo sa daan ang basehan ng pagbili na sasakyan.
  • thunderboy Mar 05 2012 @ 12:04pm
    Magaling si dtkiko pagdating sa pagpapaliwanag ng mga specs ng mga sasakyan...napakarami kong natututunan. However, i find sphinx17's explanation more rational. I myself initially was considering getting a 2.5 Fortuner G model, however, after reading the comments here, nagbago isip ko.

    Maganda sana ang Sta. Fe kasi hindi pa saturated ang daan natin ng mga ganitong sasakyan pero ang inaalala ko lang ay pag bumaha at hindi umubra ang lakas ng makina nito.

    In my view, the main consideration should always be the budget on hand and the purpose for which the vehicle will be used. No matter how good the engine of the brand or model you are vying for if in reality you cannot afford it, then stop salivating about it. The point is, just be thankful for whatever you have, and avoid thinking that what you have is not good enough as compared to what others have.

    Always bear in mind that whatever vehicle brand/model you have right now, there is always or will always be a vehicle with better specs.

    I have a question though, kapag ang isang SUV ba ay wala or mahina ang off-road capability like Sta. Fe, titirik ba ito sa baha?

    Thank you sa sasagot.
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