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Toyota Fortuner or Kia Carnival?

Dear Botchi,

We are family of five and often take one yaya along with us when we go out on weekends. We are replacing our Toyota Innova and deciding between a Kia Carnival LWB EX model and the new Toyota Fortuner A/T 4x2 diesel. I would like to know which is more fuel-efficient, easier to drive, and cheaper to maintain. I, the mom and designated driver of the kids, will be driving this vehicle more often than my husband. This will also be our out-of-town car.

I did test-drive the Carnival and I liked it.  My kids liked the ease in getting in and out the Carnival due to its height and sliding-door feature. The Fortuner has a height advantage for our flood-prone roads, but I will have to climb into the luggage area if I want to take the third-row seats up or down. Quite inconvenient for me.

Also, I would like to know if the CRDI engine of the Carnival is more superior than the D4D of the Fortuner.

I just want to be sure we make the right decision as it's a big investment for us, and we would like to be able to use the vehicle even beyond five years.

Thank you very much!

Confused Housewife,
Bobbie


Hi, Bobbie,

For a Mom, I am impressed with your drive and dedication to find the ideal vehicle for your family! Hope my future wife is just as dedicated about finding the right car for her and our future family.

From the little that I've gathered talking to engineers in respective car companies, the Japanese tend to rate their engines much more conservatively as compared to their Korean competitors, while Koreans tend to push the boundaries of their engines to produce higher power and torque figures. The popular proverb is that a candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long, so you'd think that Korean engines won't be as sturdy as Japanese engines. But it is the Koreans who offer the longest warranty as opposed to their Japanese counterparts, so it's either the Japanese engines are just not as well-built as their Korean competitors, or the Koreans have so much faith in their products that they can offer longer warranty periods. In the Philippines, some Korean manufacturers offer as much as five years for a warranty, whereas Japanese companies offer an average of three years. A longer warranty gives you greater faith and confidence in a product.

Getting specific, a Toyota Fortuner will definitely offer greater versatility and range in incremental/adverse weather and road conditions such as flooding. But aside from that, an SUV will be bulky, heavy and cumbersome to drive and get in and out of. Having kids will always be a challenge as they want space to play (I come from a big family as well so I know your concerns). An SUV isn't the best vehicle for them and since they are kids, getting in and out of one won't be easy. Lastly, the particular Fortuner variant you are looking at is grossly underpowered. Best to move up to the top-model 3.0V variant, or walk away entirely from the Fortuner, landing perfectly into the Carnival.

I love the Kia Carnival. It's one of those surprisingly very good but unfortunately underrated vans people continually ignore because they have a Korean badge. The diesel engine is strong, has enough power to carry the big van through tight and twisty bits and all but the most dangerous overtaking maneuvers, and is light and easy to drive (even with its length) in tight spaces like mall parking areas. You might also want to look into the Starex, but that looks like a mini-bus compared to the Carnival and not as easy to drive in tight spaces, partly because it is much taller if memory serves me right. The Carnival's driving habits are very good and very refined, and it is surprisingly easy to hustle this van when you're rushing in and around the metropolis.

It might be far from your budget, but look at the Chrysler Town & Country diesel if CATS Motors, the official Chrysler distributor in the Philippines, still has it in stock. That's also a good minivan, from the creators of the original minivan. But on your list, the Kia gets my vote as the most ideal car for your situation.

Thanks for your e-mail. Hopefully, you won't be as confused anymore after reading this. Good luck buying a new car, and regards to your kids and husband. God bless!

Botchi Santos
Consumer Editor


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  • krayg213 4 months ago Report Abuse
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    Kia Carnival for it's engine, space, comfort, ease to drive and it's automatic gatelift! You won't go wrong with it ma'am Bobbie. The fortuner looks like a toughie but it's just too big, from the outside, and when you drive but when you occupy it's interior, there wouldn't be too much space like the Kia Carnival can offer, also, it's heavy as well, giving you headache and stress while driving.
  • BOOGIECAT 4 months ago Report Abuse
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    Toyota Fortuner!
  • Sniper 3 months ago Report Abuse
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    Get a kia carnival, its a cheaper version of Chrysler town & country,,, but with a added bonus of modern crdi diesel engine..
  • mindkinetic 3 months ago View all replies3 Report Abuse
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    if you intend to keep the vehicle beyond 5yrears as you mentioned bobbie it is wiser to put your hard earned money o te fortuner. however elect to purchase the 3.0 variant so as to have enough of the power requirement during your pit of town trips as you mentioned in your letter. the fortuner will likewise have a higher resale value afterwards . and during parties or socialization your arrival family's arrival in the venue will give you profound presence vs the carnival. it is yrue that ingress and egress is easier with the carnival but soon the rollers and alignment will be an issue as the van earns age. likewise the carnival has not been tested to withstand the test of time some previous carnival owners complain are thrown at the van's turbo and that is a very expensive to fix or replace.

    so if you intend to keep the van lets say within the warranty period and comfort and ease getting in and out of the vehicle is your concern go with the carnival .
    however if you intend to keep your buy beyond 5years the toyota fortuner is the better bet.
  • Marionific!5 3 months ago Report Abuse
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    kia!
  • Kyoichi Sudo 3 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
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    Kia Carnival or the Chrysler Town&Country diesel.
  • Tandang Sora 3 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
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    Nakakasawa na. Lagi na lang kino comparo vs. sa korean made. Then later, it's the korean brand that is better. Sa thread magpapatayan kung okay ba ang korean made or hinde. OKAY, KOREAN MADE RULES!
  • 17Sphynx17 3 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
       
    Hmm.. Well wondering about the letter sender. If it is about space, the Fortuner is almost practically the same as the Innova in terms of space, just higher of the ground and a 4x2. So there is almost little to no difference, unless the Innova previously owner is a gasoline model.

    Among the 2 the letter sender shortlisted, I am somewhat hesitant to agree that the Kia Carnival seems to be a better choice, even if it's longevity beyond 5 years is questionable at this point.

    I do wonder though, if and why the Grand Starex was not considered? Is it too long for the driver? Isn't it practically the same for the Korean makes?

    I would choose the Grand Starex over the Kia Carnival for the letter sender. My wild card though is a Hi-Ace Grandia if it's really meant to be a reliable people carrier while little to no difficulty in ingress as well as guarantee for reliability. But the Starex/Carnival feels more driver friendly and has more power compared to the Hi-Ace.

    Good luck in your purchase.
  • Mark De Jesus 3 months ago View all replies2 Report Abuse
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    Pick japanese make.

    Japanese makes (unlike korean and european makes) normally produce underpowered engine. This makes sense because it is on purpose on not stressing the engine as early as it was used. This can be seen on NSX's, Skyline GT-R's, Toyota's. Engine quality and output was preserved if not, reduced due to significant duration. This underpowered making if balanced with engine response and feel so you wouldn't feel you are in an underpowered car provided with balanced chassis and suspension. Also, with this quality, fuel efficiency, maintenance, and resale is better in the long run.

    I do not under estimate korean makes. As far as i have experienced, koreans being very aggressive in this market, they are promising. There aggressive looks, unbelievable warranty, and staggering improvements testify itself. Yet, after ageing, these qualities fade. And fading fast.

    So if you want quality, value, and satisfaction in long period of time, get the Toyota. Sanayan lang yan sa parking kahit malaki yan.

    But if you want the looks, go for the carnival. Sanayan lang din yan sa parking. Mahaba pa naman yan.
    :)

  • warak1422 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    i prefer RWD/AWD cars/van or wagon
  • torquebender 3 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
       
    Hiace Super Grandia? just my opinion :D
  • ashek268 3 months ago View all replies3 Report Abuse
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    JESUS H.CHRIST! Do we need to compare? WTF is this? Nuthin' to write anymore?????
  • neutral 4 months ago Report Abuse
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    I'm a toyota fan but to choose between carnival and fortuner go for the carnival for its safety, comfort, easy ingress & egress, lots of space especially the LWB. Carnival has a unibody which means lighter and good feel on the road, cheaper to maintain as it has smaller tires and with a power sliding doors and liftgate. Carnival has stow away third row seats(fold flat on the floor) and has a low center of gravity and wider track. The comparison is a mismatch because these two cars have different purposes but if you have to select just one car, carnival is it.
  • Kim John 3 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
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    mag mitsubishi delica ka nalang! 4X4 na van pa. siguradong my space at d ma.abot ng baha. LOL!
  • carwiki9988 3 months ago View all replies2 Report Abuse
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    Go for the Carnival! If you choose the Fortuner, it's quite prone to rollover.
  • Feeter Silverster 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    Alam kasi ng TopGear na kapag vehicle comparison eh bumabaha ang experts dito sa site. hehehe. Keep 'em coming - VBS
  • Diciannove 4 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
       
    How about a MonteroSport?
  • barry 4 months ago View all replies1 Report Abuse
       
    heto na naman tayo. let the debate begin! haha
  • boyski04 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    Hi Botchi,
    I am acquiring a diesel engine driven SUV this coming March-April with a budget from P1.7M - P2.0M. Your recommendation will be highly appreciated. Thanks & regards.
  • miguel2012 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    kia A/T crdi cost 1.525 million while toyota fortuner 2.5 G A/T diesel 1.408 million or 3.0 V 4x4 at 1.719 million ... after five years, we can estimate re-sale at 45% value... for me i will go for KIA
  • miguel2012 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    what is your email address mr. botchie santos?
  • jim82592 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    KIa Carnival LWD EX for me. It is also a plus that your kids liked the ease of getting in and getting out of the car.
  • Danny Ricohermoso 3 months ago Report Abuse
       
    Dear Botchi,
    I may be out of topic but I will appreciate it very much if you could feature/analyze 2004 model SUZUKI GRAND VITARA XL-7 in the used car section.
    Thanks a lot.
    Danny Ricohermoso
  • barry 4 months ago Report Abuse
       
    kia carnival's engine is bothersome...
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