Van for six: Hyundai Starex or Kia Carnival?

By Botchi Santos

Hi, Botchi!

I'm an avid fan of Top Gear, most especially your column, because it makes readers and car buyers understand and differentiate car models not just by their exterior features but also its overall package.

Now, I'd like to seek your expertise in searching for the right sport-utility vehicle for my family. We are a family of six--three boys and three girls--and we are planning to replace our ever-reliable Toyota Innova with an SUV. We want a car that would fit us all including our luggage, should we go out of town. It should also be comfortable ride and fuel efficient, with a good quality and a statement—it has to be pogi. We are checking out the Mitsubishi Montero Sport and the Ford Everest due to their good reviews.

But here's the twist: Our mom underwent brain surgery last July and she's currently using a wheelchair. She's not totally disabled and she can move the left side of her body so we never have problems when she gets in and out of our Innova.

I hope you can help us find the right family SUV or even suggest a van or a multipurpose vehicle for us.

Thanks and more power to Top Gear Philippines!

Sincerely,
Paolo

Hi, Paolo!

Thanks for the email, and I sincerely hope your mom's recovering well from her operation. I know how it is to have your mom in and out of the hospital and it's definitely no fun at all.

Due to your mom's condition, an SUV is out of the question, especially the ladder-frame-based ones, which are quite tight inside. Of the usual SUV suspects, only the Hyundai Santa Fe gives decent space for a wheelchair out back and still have decent space for other cargo. It's quite low so helping your mom get in and out will be easier. It's also more comfortable and refined compared to the Montero Sport and Everest, which I'm sure your mom will appreciate.

I'd recommend the Hyundai Starex Gold or the Hyundai Starex Limousine. Both are really good, but the Gold in particular has seats that slide all the way back. The captain seats in the middle of the limousine, on the other hand, are quite difficult to slide and rotate--and we want a wide loading space to make your mom's ingress and exit as easy as possible. The Starex is also pretty quiet and refined inside, which is important for your mom. If you'll be driving, note that the Starex is also the second most car-like van so it's comfortable to drive.

The Kia Carnival is another good option, especially the one with the long wheelbase. It's almost as roomy as the Starex but it has a bit of an American twist-slash-flair to it. I've yet to drive the LWB version but I really enjoyed driving the regular wheelbase version, which is surprisingly fast, thanks to its 160hp and 323Nm of torque. It feels more like a typical American minivan than a Korean van. It's really good but it's unfortunately underrated. It's the best van to drive as it is the most car-like of all.

Normally the Toyota Super Grandia should be mentioned here. It has the space, refinement and the coveted Toyota badge, but it is grossly underpowered. You need power and more specifically torque to haul all the weight you'd be carrying. The Grandia sorely misses the extra grunt of the 3.0 D4-D engine, which is unavailable here but available in other markets. It's a great van but it lacks an engine that matches its abilities. This is quite sad because the Grandia handles surprisingly well for a van. But your arse, specifically your right thigh, will really feel like Jamon Serrano after a long drive as the engine, which is under the front seat, really heats up your thighs.

I hope my comments will help you guys decide on what new vehicle to get. Take care, give my regards to your mom and God bless!

Botchi Santos
Consumer editor

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  • trilobyt Mar 24 2011 @ 06:07pm
    Go for the Starex. It would be a challenge to fit a family of 6, especially adults, in a Montero or an Everest and still have room for bags and other stuff!
  • engr_kristian Mar 24 2011 @ 06:27pm
    i agree with Botchi, take off the Montero from your list coz it won't serve your needs. I have a Montero so I can personally not recommend this one. even without your mom, it's not built for 6 passengers. Montero is more on "papogi" can than utility. Go for the Starex limo, you can't go wrong with it. but if you have the means, check out Toyota Previa or Alphard. they are quite expensive but i think you'll like it.
  • Rem Mar 24 2011 @ 06:45pm
    Since you have a big family, an MPV/Van like the 12 seater Grand Starex would fit your needs, though some people think it's cramped. But if you don't mind getting a second hand vehicle, the 3rd Gen Starex CRDi Jumbo would also be a good alternative to the GS. I personally don't like the Super Grandia, it's humongous! And the ride comfort feels like it's an entry level van. :(
  • Riskbreaker Mar 24 2011 @ 07:43pm
    Santa Fe ftw! Seriously though, go for the Starex Gold.
  • dbangs23 Mar 24 2011 @ 08:04pm
    Not strictly related to the article, but can anyone tell me what the differences are among Crossover, SUV, MPV and Van
  • HKB Mar 24 2011 @ 08:10pm
    yes I'm agree all, go for the starex Gold, di ka magsisi....
  • Drift Mar 24 2011 @ 08:30pm
    Grand Starex Gold :)
  • speed888 Mar 24 2011 @ 10:04pm
    starex...
  • LAV214 Mar 25 2011 @ 04:19am
    It seems you're inclined to have an SUV but worry about your mom's comfort plus space for luggage. If this is the case go for the Sta Fe you won't regret it. I just also replaced my innova with this one.
  • gundam Mar 25 2011 @ 12:07pm
    Grand Starex. HVX. try mo lang din
  • warak1422 Mar 25 2011 @ 05:44pm
    Go for the Mercedes Benz Viano
    6-8 pax capacity
    All Wheel Drive
    2.2L Diesel
  • bruce Mar 26 2011 @ 12:37am
    starex!
  • hopeless Mar 26 2011 @ 08:44am
    Hyundai Grand Starex with VGT
  • gvm0116 Mar 26 2011 @ 03:33pm
    The Toyota Alphard is really very good as regards ride comfort and smoothness. Well, that if you are willing to spend that much and spend some more at the pump. Otherwise, I'd also go for the Starex as well.
    • barry Apr 05 2011 @ 04:47pm
      mahal naman yung alphard. even though it has all the amenities, but the price is going to be a problem...
  • ev9402 Mar 30 2011 @ 09:21am
    If it is chauffer driven, i personally like the Hiace Super Grandia. It seats a lot more people than the Starex and has a lot of space. the last row of seats can also be folded to accomodate your mom's wheelchair. It also has an easy auto-closer door which helps in ingress/egress. The sliding doors of the Starex are quite heavy. From my experience, kids have a hard time opening and closing the doors of the starex due to its weight. Naipit finger ng pamangkin ko kc nagslide door ng Starex ng mabilis dahil sa bigat.
  • nivlem31 Apr 01 2011 @ 09:47am
    go for the kia carnival LWB
  • jasonstriker34 Apr 01 2011 @ 12:58pm
    Paolo, At this momment pag paumanhin mo kung mangingialam ako sa suggestions, In your mom condition, I know you're also praying for her recovery. As of now lets forget about religion. I hope you believe on one Almighty God. I hope you know what I mean, when you pray to Him meaning to say you also believe? Right?
    In the case of choosing a vehicle for you, Isn't God knows the future? Hope you believe on it. He knows all things including the specs and performance of any car... In this case, gawin mo kaya na lahat ng suggestion sa iyo ni car expert Sir Botchi, list all them in a small paper, sliced them tapos, shake mo, then bunot ka isa. Kung anu ang nabunot mo yun po ang bilhin nyong car. But make sure before po kayo bumunot just pray for a while..... God knows the best for you sir before you make a move......... Mawalang galang lang po sir sinubukan ko rin ito for you ang lumabas po Starex Gold... :)
  • barry Apr 05 2011 @ 04:53pm
    paolo, all these people have given their suggestions on what kind of car will you purchase. if you ask me. you go with the hyundai starex. leave the mitsu montero, hyundai santa fe or the ford everest. im sure, when you purchase a starex, im sure, you will love it!
  • FD_Man Apr 08 2011 @ 01:26pm
    it's the Carnival for me, you will love the ride whether your mom is in the car or it's just you. The starex is good if you're always with everyone but for versatility and some element of exclusivity the Carnival is the one. Ultimately go for a test drive before you make the decision. God bless you and may your mom get well sooner than later.
  • docdan Apr 13 2011 @ 08:59pm
    sir yung tci na grand starex ok din kaya? medyo mas mura kaya lang baka mahina ang engine?
  • 17Sphynx17 Apr 14 2011 @ 10:46am
    I haven't driven or ridden the Grand Starex but I've read its reviews which are good. Carnival also has good reviews, but if this car is for the long haul (more than 3 years), I suggest you get the Starex.Based on our experience, up until 2 months ago, Kia service is not that good, especially availability of parts. We used to have a Kia Carens and a friend has a Kia Carnival. Both has issues with regards to maintenance. Parts will take 3 weeks minimum to arrive here, be it turbo, suspension, alternator etc.And with our Carens, it was in and out of the Casa repeatedly during its third year. So we just sold it to avoid further headaches. Same goes with my friend.Both Kia vehicles were not flooded during Ondoy and are Casa Maintained.Both Carnival and Carens have had their turbos replaces before reaching the three year mark.I know there is a new president for Kia and I do hope she improves the after sales service of the brand here in the Philippines.Sharing our experience.
    Last modified Apr 14 2011 @ 10:46am
  • Carfanatic Feb 02 2012 @ 05:27pm
    Based on your needs, KIA Carnival will serve you well plus the CRDi engine is good.
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