Is this the new Toyota Fortuner?

By Vernon B. Sarne
 

New Toyota FortunerWe found these images of a seemingly new Toyota Fortuner on the website of Toyota Thailand, with the heading, "New Toyota Fortuner: Above and Beyond." Problem is, the rest of the text is written in Thai so we have no idea what else is being said. So we're left wondering whether this is the new-generation Fortuner or just another face-lift. In industry-speak, "new" could mean "all-new" or "refreshed."

We checked the spec sheet and tried to decipher as much information as we could. We learned that this "new" Fortuner is longer at 4,705mm (versus the current model's 4,695mm) but lower at 1,795mm (versus 1,850mm). We also learned that it has exactly the same width at 1,840mm and exactly the same wheelbase at 2,750mm.

Even the engine specs seem like carryovers from the present model: a 2.7-liter gasoline engine rated at 160hp and 241Nm, and a 3.0-liter diesel unit rated at 163hp and 343Nm.

Our verdict: just another face-lift. What do you think?

New Toyota Fortuner

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  • supersaiyan99 Jul 15 2011 @ 05:19pm
    Wow nice baket kaya thailand lagi una? hahaha. tngnan nyo rin Mazda 3 sa thailand nauna na sila new 3rd gen ng m3
    • barry Jul 18 2011 @ 05:09pm
      don kasi galing ang camry, hilux at foruner sa thailand. bali iniimport yan.
  • the 8th Jul 15 2011 @ 05:19pm
    facelift, just like the hilux and the upcoming facelifted innova
  • bas88 Jul 15 2011 @ 05:21pm
    Yep, just another face-lift. Mas okay pa din yung bagong Explorer.
    • BOOGIECAT Jul 15 2011 @ 05:32pm
      The Explorer is not Fortuner's rival..Prado ang kalaban ng Explorer no..LOL!
    • tgstig Jul 17 2011 @ 12:47am
      Everest ang rival ng Fortuner
    • Adrian Jul 18 2011 @ 02:14pm
      Tama Everest kainis lang hindi kasi tumaas ang horsepower ng 2012 fortuner dapat 180hp na sya at my variant na 4WD at AWD!
    • barry Jul 18 2011 @ 05:10pm
      abangan na lang natin ang pagdating ng all-new ranger.
  • zetsumei Jul 15 2011 @ 05:33pm
    I have a friend who works for Toyota. And he told me this baby will be launched in the Philippines sometime 4thQ this year. You'll notice that they're giving 100K discounts for the current Fortuner. They are getting rid of their stocks to make way for the new Fortuner.
    • Adrian Jul 18 2011 @ 02:15pm
      Sigurado mahal pa yan sa current model year ngayon! arround P1.9 M yan!
    • barry Jul 18 2011 @ 05:11pm
      korek ka jan zetsumei.
  • BOOGIECAT Jul 15 2011 @ 05:33pm
    Yung 2012 Fortuner na dadalhin ng TMPC rito ay malamang galing Indonesia.Hanggang 2014 pa naman ang current IMV platform!
    Last modified Jul 15 2011 @ 05:35pm
  • engr_kristian Jul 15 2011 @ 06:04pm
    facelift!!! they should come out with something better if they're hoping to catch up with the Monterosport & the ASX
  • JoHunter Jul 15 2011 @ 06:05pm
    Haha! Subaru!
  • tidus1203 Jul 15 2011 @ 06:06pm
    More facelifts! Typical for a THIRD WORLD only vehicle...
  • krzcuevas Jul 15 2011 @ 06:24pm
    Puro facelift na lang.....
    Buti pa sila papalit palit na lang ng sasakyan kapag me nakitang bagong itsura.
  • gameroomhd Jul 15 2011 @ 06:44pm
    Obviously another facelift.. They should do improvements on the faulty D4d engine! napagiwanan na sila ng panahon. VGT
  • dominic Jul 15 2011 @ 06:59pm
    The bumper,sportage o crv?
  • hopeless Jul 15 2011 @ 07:19pm
    Mas gusto ko pa itsura ng current Fortuner kesa dito. Yung current Fortuner ang best-looking, sa ngayon.
  • mark14 Jul 15 2011 @ 08:25pm
    the tail lamps are *gly!
  • dominic Jul 15 2011 @ 08:49pm
    For sure yung facelift nito may HID ulit tapos baligtad ulit ilaw sa likod, nasa baba naman yung red
  • gg Jul 15 2011 @ 08:49pm
    guys kelan b to lalabas sa pinas? kakainis na dala ako sa less 100t nila na promo, un pla may bgong lalabas!
    • Adrian Jul 18 2011 @ 02:19pm
      Bago matapos ang taon na to sure yan!
  • spiderpig2894 Jul 15 2011 @ 09:36pm
    the front looks a little boring
    the rear lights stuns me with beauty with the weirdness of the design...
  • one.edchelle Jul 15 2011 @ 09:50pm
    well yeah, it's just a facelift, but i hate the fact that they replaced the so luxury rear tail lamp on the second generation, well i hope this unit will be available here in the Philippines and the specs which the unit have on Thailand will be also available here, well its another rejoice for Toyota fans, and also Fortuner fanatics out there., well me i'm one of them, you bet?
  • legaity Jul 15 2011 @ 10:06pm
    Facelift. And an *gly one at that; No engine upgrades?? Seriously, they're being left behind by their competitors!
    • BOOGIECAT Jul 16 2011 @ 10:38am
      The 2.5 D-4D engine is now more powerful!
  • alxnd21 Jul 15 2011 @ 10:20pm
    Great design for this new Face Lifted 2012 Toyota Fortuner... Except The hood na hindi bagay yun nozzle na mas malaki kesa sa Fortuner 2009-2011 MODEL.! Tama ba Guys and Toyota Fortuner Fanatics. =)
  • legacy Jul 15 2011 @ 10:27pm
    Weird... Autoindustriya reports that the engines will now be turbocharged. If the engines are turbocharged, then this isnt just a facelift.
  • Feeter Silverster Jul 15 2011 @ 11:10pm
    Skin-deep improvements, though it looks like a Lexus this time...
  • jcalhs Jul 15 2011 @ 11:23pm
    engine specs in English are found on this link - http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/fortuner/fortuner_spec.asp?type_id=7
    the Thai spec 2.5 Diesel 2KD-FTV engine - 4 cyl 16 valve DOHC VN turbo Intercooler gets 106 (144) PS / 3,400 and 343 Nm/ 1,600-2,800
  • rdjl_13 Jul 15 2011 @ 11:39pm
    I think this is a facelift. Based on the website, the 2.5L diesel is also tweeked to 144hp but the 3.0L diesel and the 2.7L gas are still the same. For me, it looks good. The interior looks nice ('cause they changed the color of the fake wood. :D) And the upgraded features on the website can compete with the features of the Monty, Everest, etc. I'll just hope we can have every upgrade that's on the website. :)

    Honestly, Toyota doesn't need to change engines. I still prefer the 3.0L engine of the Fortuner compared to the 2.5L VGT of the Monty. Maybe the Monty wins at hp by only more or less than 10hp but the Fort wins in torque (basis - rpm).
  • leepipes218 Jul 15 2011 @ 11:58pm
    The front fascia looks like inspired from the current Lexus LX570 especially the grille but the rear styling is a bit odd-looking.
  • leepipes218 Jul 16 2011 @ 12:01am
    The front fascia looks like inspired from a Lexus LX570 especially the grille but the rear styling is a bit odd-looking.
  • leepipes218 Jul 16 2011 @ 12:01am
    The front fascia looks like inspired from a Lexus LX570 especially the grille but the rear styling is a bit odd-looking.
  • leepipes218 Jul 16 2011 @ 12:02am
    The front fascia looks like inspired from a Lexus LX570 especially the grille but the rear styling is a bit odd-looking.
  • JCM Jul 16 2011 @ 01:27am
    There will still many who will buy this even if you're comments are negative.
  • Leopaul Jul 16 2011 @ 03:34am
    This is the FACELIFT!
  • 997 GT2RS Jul 16 2011 @ 06:43am
    Altezza style tail lights is a bit out of fashion( introduced back in 1997) Made popular by TAIWANESE/CHINESE aftermarket tail lamp manufacturers.

    Headlight - a hint of Nissan x trail
    Tail light- Shape is the same as Subaru forester/ Impreza
    Grille- Subaru TriBeCa
    Rear end- ML series
    Rear bar- Subaru forester
    Roof rail Subaru forester
    bonnet scoop- WRX/forester XT
    Last modified Jul 16 2011 @ 06:52am
  • Riskbreaker Jul 16 2011 @ 07:19am
    F*gly.
  • vonschnipp Jul 16 2011 @ 07:44am
    Face-lift. Just slap on a new fascia, some chrome left and right, and voila: NEW!
  • Feeter Silverster Jul 16 2011 @ 08:05am
    They also copied some style from Montero Sports seen on the mags design.
    • Kyoichi Sudo Jul 25 2011 @ 07:09pm
      hay naku masanay ka na
  • Bruks_pt Jul 16 2011 @ 09:09am
    Has anyone had brake problems with the 2010 HiLux model? Friend of mine had endless ongoing issues with front brakes and dealer, to its credit, tried but failed to resolve the issue, even replacing the brakes assembly (not just the pads) and discs. But brakes remained problematic. He has since gotten rid of the HiLux.
    • barry Jul 18 2011 @ 05:06pm
      maliit kasi ang brakes nyan. parang innova. hindi ka nag-iisa. even its predecessor also happened about brake rotor issues.
  • HAHAman Jul 16 2011 @ 10:35am
    Maybe just a mock-up. It has too much bling, and bling isn't in Toyota's language.
  • ashek268 Jul 16 2011 @ 10:52am
    I waited for this, this, THING and this is what Toyota can come up with?!!!!!!!!!!
  • murcielago Jul 16 2011 @ 11:04am
    Facelift for sure:]
  • Marionific!5 Jul 16 2011 @ 11:07am
    another facelift..I Think they also change the body..the tail lamps..superrrrrrrr....UGLY!
  • freistil16 Jul 16 2011 @ 11:27am
    *gly is the new in nga kasiiii
  • vansxtrme23 Jul 16 2011 @ 12:28pm
    disappointing! the present one is much better..
  • gundam Jul 16 2011 @ 12:44pm
    MSRP?
  • TEXAN-boy Jul 16 2011 @ 01:52pm
    facelifted monster, trucky ride Asian SUV.
  • goldcrow Jul 16 2011 @ 06:42pm
    Some guys are saying that there are hints of Subaru in this facelift. Gotta agree with that but thing is, Toyota has ownership in the mother company of Subaru, Fuji Heavy Industries so it really isn't surprising. Explains the partnership they have with Subaru with the FT-86 project as well.

    Honestly, this version looks good especially the interior. Only thing I don't like are the tail lamps but it may grow on me if I see it in person. The facelifted Altis also looked bad in pictures but it looks great personally.
    • 997 GT2RS Jul 17 2011 @ 07:38am
      Toyota is a MINOR shareholder of Subaru.FUJI heavy industries owns Subaru.
  • ganjaman Jul 16 2011 @ 07:35pm
    kung hindi sila mag increase or better kung ibababa nila ung price sa plagay ko madami pa din ang bibili ng fortuner.
  • legacy Jul 16 2011 @ 08:00pm
    It seems the 2.5 engine is TURBOCHARGED. Toyota calls it variable nozzle turbocharging. Because they updated the engine, this isnt just a facelift
  • harry102585 Jul 16 2011 @ 09:30pm
    lahat ng cars puro facelifted na..galing ba sila kay dra. vicky belo?..haha!!!
  • maklo02 Jul 16 2011 @ 10:16pm
    the front looks good but the tail lights look like the cheep plastic tail lights.
  • pat Jul 16 2011 @ 11:57pm
    Wow. It looks absolutely terrible in every way. And worse than the current unit.
  • RaffyDavid Jul 17 2011 @ 12:56am
    same lang yan. plus f*gly tailights.
  • wangwangsareforlosers Jul 17 2011 @ 04:46am
    thank you jcalhs for posting the link. however, a more complete list of the 2012 Fortuner's specs may be found here: http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/fortuner/fortuner_spec.asp?
    comparing these to the specs posted on Toyota Motor Philippines' website, one can pick out some differences other than those in the article above. the biggest change is with the 2.5G 4x2 diesel model, whose engine now has a variable nozzle (VN) turbocharger with intercooler, as opposed to the naturally aspirated engine on the current 2.5G sold here. Power and torque are bumped up from 102hp/3,600rpm to 144hp/3,400rpm, and 260Nm/1,600 - 2,400 rpm to 343Nm/1,600-2,800rpm, respectively. This should put the 2.5G diesel on equal footing with the 2.5 liter Ford Everest and the non-VGT Mitsubishi Monterosport. Curb weight goes up by about 25kg but that's still 100kg less than most other midsized SUV's with the possible exception of the Hyundai Santa Fe, which should equate to better acceleration compared to the current 2.5G. It should be noted though that the 2012 Fortuner 2.5G diesel seems to only be available with a manual transmission and not the automatic.
  • angelcave89 Jul 17 2011 @ 09:15am
    this one have cooler tail lamps than monty lol..monty's tail lamps are more f*cked up than this one..
    Last modified Jul 17 2011 @ 09:16am
  • Erik Jul 17 2011 @ 10:12am
    Subaru!!!
  • BOOGIECAT Jul 17 2011 @ 10:29am
    Looks really good!
  • toyotadude Jul 17 2011 @ 12:02pm
    taillamps are so bland.
  • lanjohn82 Jul 17 2011 @ 12:17pm
    same old sh*t.
  • SiRio1970 Jul 17 2011 @ 03:17pm
    I agree with you lanjohn82... Seems like the excitement this coming August is not that exciting... 8(
  • BOOGIECAT Jul 17 2011 @ 09:21pm
    Much better than before..Good job Toyota!
  • bananatype Jul 18 2011 @ 08:58am
    This model will run till 2014? Uh oh, Toyota seems to be running out of ideas...Hope they at least did something about the ride quality
  • Knowell Jul 18 2011 @ 12:02pm
    I miss dtkiko :-DD
  • gundam Jul 18 2011 @ 01:49pm
    nadale mo. para sa analysis ng HP and torque ng 2.5vnt. hahah
  • murcielago Jul 18 2011 @ 01:57pm
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport GTV 4x4 or this odd looking facelifted design of Toyota Fortuner?? Would the Best Selling SUV will go down to its throne? or will it remain unmatch?
  • Adrian Jul 18 2011 @ 02:23pm
    I think bebenta pa rin 'to kahit facelift lang sya. Sana may variant na 3.3 V 180hp na pwedeng pumuli sa 4WD at AWD! At kaya ganyan pa rin design nyan focus sila sa pag improve ng Hybrid Synergy Drive at Electric Vehicle. Around P1.9 M yan!
  • jbits Jul 18 2011 @ 02:30pm
    san na nga pala siya? matagal tagal ko na rin siyang wala eh.
  • 17Sphynx17 Jul 18 2011 @ 03:40pm
    dtkiko posted but on the filters not here. =)

    Maybe he hasn't posted because he hasn't completed testing or gathering data. =)

    He does post comprehensive analysis of figures to compare it with other vehicles with their own comprehensively collected data =)
  • ying Jul 18 2011 @ 03:44pm
    Toyota must be running out of ideas.
  • barry Jul 18 2011 @ 04:45pm
    kala ko pa naman all-new. yun pala facelifted lang.
  • dtkiko Jul 18 2011 @ 08:32pm
    Mga boss-among-tunay ko, namely, "Knowell", "Gundam" and "17Sphynx".... nag-post ako on a similar note at the "Forums" mga chief, kaya relax na kayo ahihi....
    As provided at ---- http://www.topgear.com.ph/board/index.php?topic=6737.0

    Since i'm NOT a fan of any Japanese-made (include Ford-Mazda just for discussion's sake) 2.5-litre diesels, BUT do love lesser displacement diesels by the Koreans that utilise the R eVGT's( Hyundai and Kia), as regards to the 2012 Toyota Hilux (and Fortuner) the discussion was more on the 3-litre 1KD-FTV engine plugged into these models....
  • patsan Jul 18 2011 @ 11:34pm
    I saw that exact car (but in grey/silver) being shot at The Fort yesterday!
  • jmsantz Jul 19 2011 @ 06:49am
    no e-vgt yet? mwahahaaha
  • jmac1993 Jul 19 2011 @ 04:58pm
    I think, it's just another facelift. :)
  • SiRio1970 Jul 19 2011 @ 10:14pm
    Reminds me of the new Honda Jazz 1.5... A bigger version of a Joker's smile / grin...
  • Deyn Man Jul 19 2011 @ 11:08pm
    echoing what others have said, it's a facelift!
    i think not all that you see here will make it to the Philippine model -- in my opinion, Thais have "different" taste with their vehicles (ie. more bling is good, clear tail lights ala-lexus is still so "in", etc).
    i think suspension will be "fixed" but not sure about the engine and transmission... boo!
  • mico101 Jul 20 2011 @ 11:43am
    I read the website of Toyota Thailand using Google Chrome Translator. The "new" Fortuner has charged-up its 2.5 Diesel Engine. From 103/ 100.60 (ps/hp) to 146/144 (ps/hp) and 260 n-m of torque to 343 n-m of torque. The 3.0 Diesel from Thai's spec is still the same from the old one, 163 ps and 343 n-m of torque.

    I just check-out the Mitsubishi's website, Montero Sport GTV has 178 ps and 350 n-m of torque. It's still powerful than the Thai spec Fortuner. But if that Fortuner Thai spec 2.5 Diesel Engine would be available in the Philippines, then that's "NEW" and improved. But still slower than the Montero GTV when it comes to specs.
    • goldcrow Jul 20 2011 @ 01:38pm
      Do check the torque curves, numbers aren't everything. Peak torque of the VNT 2kd-ftv is reached waaay earlier than the VGT 4D56 and is sustained until around 2800rpm unlike the 4d56 which drops the moment you reach it (assuming you reached the absurdly high 3k rpm to use that 350nm). Mitsubishi's published torque spec isn't consistent with the torque curve that they included with it.
      • dtkiko Jul 20 2011 @ 02:17pm
        Heto ang taong nakakaintindi!!!! KUDOS to you Sir Goldcrow!!!!

        The location where the peak torque is located along the rev-range (rpm) is far more important BECAUSE it shows in there the region where the engine works at most efficient.... A long-breadth of peak flat torque is way more usable than a single peak torque that drops off as soon as you rev more or ease down the pedal....

        The way how the torque peaks up along the rev range, depicted by its slope, is also the way it falls off when you ease the pedal ---- that is why when one sees a torque curve that is "peaky", expect it that as soon as you let go of the pedal, that's also the manner how the torque falls off ahihi....
        Last modified Jul 20 2011 @ 02:27pm
      • mico101 Jul 21 2011 @ 07:36am
        The peak torque range of Fortuner's 2KD-FTV is from 1600 - 2800, the Montero's 4D56 has it's peak torque around 1800 - 3500. In this case although 2KD-FTV has lower torque by 7 N-M of torque from 350 N-M of 4D56 because of lower peak torque Fortuner could "possible" outrun a Montero in terms of acceleration. Given the fact from spec sheets that Fortuner "could be" lighter than Montero which could be another factor for its better acceleration. By the way, thanks for the comment.
        • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 10:50pm
          i really do hope pards you understand what you're saying when you say 350 Nm from 1800 to 3500 rpm....

          Please read Ferman Lao's article on the Monterosport GTV. Ferman, in case you don't know him, is one of the TopGear Phils. editors, the president of CAGI and part-owner of Speedlab Racing.... He categorically mentioned in his article that the GTV Monety makes ONLY 250 Nm of torque at 1800 rpm, NOT 350 Nm as falsely depicted narratively by Mitsubishi....
          And please look into the graph supporting the Mitsubishi GTV publicity ---- it only max-out to 350 Nm at a single-spot at a diesel high-rev of 3500 rpm (the orange line is the torque slope), not from 1800 rpm to 3500 as falsely propagated....

          I have attached a link here: http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/dtk1/vgt_chart.jpg
          Last modified Jul 21 2011 @ 11:11pm
    • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 11:10pm
      Mico101:

      i really do hope pards you understand what you're saying when you say 350 Nm from 1800 to 3500 rpm....

      Please read Ferman Lao's article on the Monterosport GTV. Ferman, in case you don't know him, is one of the TopGear Phils. editors, the president of CAGI and part-owner of Speedlab Racing.... He categorically mentioned in his article that the GTV Monty makes ONLY 250 Nm of torque at 1800 rpm, NOT 350 Nm as falsely depicted narratively by Mitsubishi....

      And kindly look into the graph supporting the Mitsubishi GTV publicity ---- it only max-out to 350 Nm at a single-spot at a diesel high-rev of 3500 rpm (the orange line is the torque slope), not from 1800 rpm to 3500 as falsely propagated....

      I have attached a link here: http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/dtk1/vgt_chart.jpg
      Last modified Jul 21 2011 @ 11:14pm
      • mico101 Jul 22 2011 @ 08:15am
        Yeah, i usually saw ferman lao at speedlab. I based my 1800 to 3500 rpm at the spec sheet of Mitsubishi Montero and I just check-out your link and your right! Thanks for that!

        I have a question for you, would you choose Montero over this new Fortuner or you would choose Santa Fe? I'm thinking of buying good SUV.
        • dtkiko Jul 22 2011 @ 05:40pm
          Good day Mico101.

          That's exactly the point ---- for those unsuspecting car buyers and even those not in-the-know of what peak torque is all about (it is the region along the powerband where an engine is performing at most efficient in terms of power output and fuel-efficiency), many are mislead about Mitsubishi's false torque band on the GTV. Mitsu is desperate actually up to even lying before consumers....

          So, generally when you see a peak torque spread out so broadly along the powerband, like that of the 3-litre Fortuner (1400 rpm to 3200 rpm), or a 2.2-litre Santa Fe eVGT (unparalleled 435 Nm from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm), expect it that it is way way better to pull things up for you, even when you ease the accelerator-pedal ---- this means that even when you're running at 2000 plus rpm on the Fortuner for example, that even when you slow down to say 1500 rpm, you're sure that you have that 343 Nm consistent peak torque (or the pulling power) on tap. Much is the same way also with the Santa Fe eVGT as well as the the new 2.5-litre Fortuner (144 metric-hp and 343 Nm torque from 1600 rpm to 2800 rpm)....

          Moreover, the time that these engines, 3-litre Forty, and new 2.5-litre Forty, and the 2.2-litre Santa Fe, reach their optimum performance (remember the peak torque per se), comes way earlier from even the lower revs of the powerband unlike that of the overrated high-profile Monterosport GTV that it has to be wring out (hanggang labas na mga litid nito sa leeg sa kakabirit mo) up to a diesel-high rev of 3500 rpm until you realise that 350 Nm that it says it promises daw hehe.... Below that region along the rpm range, anemic ang Monterosport, and unfortunately in reality, the manner of how it picks up its torque while you're pushing hard the accelaerator-pedal IS ALSO THE SAME WAY you loses that torque when you ease the pedal ---- becuase it doesn't have a wide peak torque region.... It only makes a measly 250 Nm of torque at 1800 rpm, not 350 Nm as falsified evidently by Mitsubishi....

          It is not only Ferman Lao that knows about that way lesser torque at sub-2000 rpm of the Montysport GTV. The Australians as well have got the same GTV powerplant on their pickup UTE Tritons (Strada in Philippines). There is an article about the DP Chip mode that described the Triton ---- the Australians say that the power on this GTV Triton is anemic down 2000 rpm citing even further that "nothing much really happens below 2000 rpm" and that the installation of a DP Chip will improve things a bit hehe....

          If i were to choose between the 2.5-litre Monty GTV and the 2.5-litre all-new Forty, i will choose the better torque-giver Fortuner, as i know it has a wide powerband window that is where it's really really efficient. Now, if you ask me about the 3-litre Forty over the 2.5-litre Monty GTV, of course, it's a no-brainer, i will choose the 3-litre Fortuner D4-D ---- remember that in actual dyno-chassis run by Speedlab Phils, that stock-trim 3-litre 1 KD-FTV engine actually pumps out 383 Nm of peak torque at the rear wheel of the 3-litre Hilux, which is even way way above than what Toyota publicised as only being 343 Nm.

          Now, if the choices involves the Santa Fe in this mix of 7-seater SUV's/ CUV's, then i will choose the Santa Fe over all of them, from a range of PhP1.5 M to PhP1.7 M price-tag.

          Furthermore, if you want me to take it more ---- between the 7-seater Santa Fe eVGT 4x4 that cost around PhP1.79 M against the gasoline-fed 5-seater 2.5-litre Subaru Forester XT all-wheel drive that cost around PhP1.75 M, i might be tempted to choose the 230-metric hp Forester. There's no SUV/ CUV out there that pumps out this much of unprecedented power, and for what it cost!!!!
          ....For a gasoline fed, the Forester also makes a very decent 320 Nm of peak torque at even a much lower rev of 2800 rpm compared to the highly-strung Monty GTV needing 3500 rpm. It makes 33 more horses than the Santa Fe and it makes a WHOPPING 52 more horses than the heavier Monty GTV. The Subaru Forester is even the lightest of them all and the fastest of them all....

          Goodluck on your choices!
  • dtkiko Jul 20 2011 @ 02:04pm
    Yes, by paper-spec, the 2.5-litre Toyota Fortuner is still lesser than the Mitsu Monterosport, BUT the Monterosport is still by far SO SHORT of the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT in terms of specs, kahit ano pang publicity gawin nito, kulelat pa rin sa kakahabol at sa pag-papapogi sa publicity ahihi....

    Langit-at-lupa ang pagitan ---- 197 metric-hp from the "HUMBLE" yet long-unmatched Santa Fe eVGT against the publicity-hungry Monterosport's 178 metric-hp PFFFFTT.... utot.... Sabi pa nila kaya daw dinala dito ang GTV model nila para daw i-match sa Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT hahahaha!!!!.... utot....

    Besides, the Santa Fe pumps even more unparalleled 435 Nm of peak torque from a generous breadth that is 700 rpm-wide window starting from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm whereas for the pa-pogi Montysport could only manage a measly 350 Nm torque, yet you have to wring out its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg ahihi) up to 3500 rpm and then it falls of rapidly along the rev range ahoho.... PFFFFTT.... ala pa rin binatbat inspite of all the publicity-revolving around where Mitsubishi desperately associates itself with VGT as if it invented it haha! Ahihi....ahoho....ayayay!
    Last modified Jul 20 2011 @ 02:19pm
    • yokam888 Jul 20 2011 @ 02:35pm
      you do know that the sta. fe is not really an off-road vehicle right? real off-road vehicles like the fortuner and the montero have a ladder frame chasis which is purposedly built to tackle almost all terrains. the sta. fe is a crossover vehicle, it's basically a lifted sedan with four wheel drive.
      Last modified Jul 20 2011 @ 02:55pm
      • dtkiko Jul 20 2011 @ 02:42pm
        Hahahaha!!!! Tell me more something new Yokam and suit yourself my friend....
    • Oris F1 Jul 21 2011 @ 12:55am
      @dtkiko------according to you "by far SO SHORT of the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT in terms of specs, kahit ano pang publicity gawin nito, kulelat pa rin sa kakahabol at sa pag-papapogi sa publicity ahihi...." nnAt eto pa sabi mo-----"Langit-at-lupa ang pagitan ---- 197 metric-hp from the "HUMBLE" yet long-unmatched Santa Fe eVGT against the publicity-hungry Monterosport's 178 metric-hp PFFFFTT.... utot.... Sabi pa nila kaya daw dinala dito ang GTV model nila para daw i-match sa Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT hahahaha!!!!.... utot...."nn.... Sagad na natin at eto pa sinabi mo----"ala pa rin binatbat inspite of all the publicity-revolving around where Mitsubishi desperately associates itself with VGT as if it invented it haha! Ahihi....ahoho....ayayay!"nnEto lang sasabihin ko------http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/mitsubishi-motors-philippines-leads-commercial-vehicle-segment --------AT ETO PA------http://www.*****.com/mitsubishi-dislodges-toyota-as-top-seller-of-automobiles-in-the-philippines/nnMontero Sport? Puro nga ba papogi lang? Publicity lang nga ba? Naghahabol nga ba? Desperate nga ba???---------------PFFFTTTT-----UTOT!!!
      • mico101 Jul 21 2011 @ 07:56am
        I agree that Santa Fe's Tower of Power! The problem is when it comes to its off-road capabilities. But I agree to Oris F1 that Misubishi Montero is at the top when it comes to sales nowadays.
  • yokam888 Jul 20 2011 @ 02:22pm
    the badge at the rear says 3.0 d4d VNTurbo (variable nozzle turbo) kinda like the VGT of the new montero but the spec sheets of the new fortuner still says 163 max horses... i guess the VNT of toyota only eliminates turbo lag... unlike the VGT of mitsubishi which also eliminates turbo lag but adds HP as well.
    Last modified Jul 20 2011 @ 02:27pm
  • ennovy70 Jul 20 2011 @ 03:47pm
    I hope Toyota brings the new Forty here. Many will buy no doubt.
  • FD_Man Jul 20 2011 @ 04:32pm
    facelift :-(
  • Kyoichi Sudo Jul 20 2011 @ 06:21pm
    at least its now sporty, but i still find the Montero Sport more sporty. maybe its better for toyota to have a general facelift on the fortuner.
  • Autobot Jul 20 2011 @ 09:48pm
    Just wait for the all-new, probably next year or 2013, maybe you should be thankful for the longer time it will take to change to an all-new model, at least technically, y'all are still driving the same Fortuner, gives you more time to enjoy the current and save for an all-new. Peace.
  • Oris F1 Jul 21 2011 @ 12:51am
    @dtkiko------according to you "by far SO SHORT of the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT in terms of specs, kahit ano pang publicity gawin nito, kulelat pa rin sa kakahabol at sa pag-papapogi sa publicity ahihi...."

    At eto pa sabi mo-----"Langit-at-lupa ang pagitan ---- 197 metric-hp from the "HUMBLE" yet long-unmatched Santa Fe eVGT against the publicity-hungry Monterosport's 178 metric-hp PFFFFTT.... utot.... Sabi pa nila kaya daw dinala dito ang GTV model nila para daw i-match sa Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT hahahaha!!!!.... utot...."

    .... Sagad na natin at eto pa sinabi mo----"ala pa rin binatbat inspite of all the publicity-revolving around where Mitsubishi desperately associates itself with VGT as if it invented it haha! Ahihi....ahoho....ayayay!"

    Eto lang sasabihin ko------http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/mitsubishi-motors-philippines-leads-commercial-vehicle-segment --------AT ETO PA------http://www.*****.com/mitsubishi-dislodges-toyota-as-top-seller-of-automobiles-in-the-philippines/

    Montero Sport? Puro nga ba papogi lang? Publicity lang nga ba? Naghahabol nga ba? Desperate nga ba???---------------PFFFTTTT-----UTOT!!!
  • Oris F1 Jul 21 2011 @ 01:00am
    http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/mitsubishi-motors-philippines-leads-commercial-vehicle-segment, http://www.*****.com/mitsubishi-dislodges-toyota-as-top-seller-of-automobiles-in-the-philippines/

    @dtkiko-----isang malaking PFFFTTTT! UTOT!!!
  • ev9402 Jul 21 2011 @ 04:11pm
    @ Oris F1

    I'm sure Mitsubishi only overtook Toyota due to the crisis in Japan with its supply issues. Pag back to normal na, Toyota can bounce back. Dito nalang sa Pilipinas bumebenta Mitsubishi e, sa Thailand nga ayaw nila ng Montero Sport, kya kahit anong improvement gawin nila Fortuner pa rin malakas dun. Even Hyundai is stronger than Mitsubishi globally.
    • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 08:52pm
      Ikaw sir ay tunay na nakakaintindi.... KUDOS to you!

      Both Toyota and Hyundai command a lot more attention and affection than the non-Top 10 Mitsubishi honestly speaking hehe....
  • RS500 Jul 21 2011 @ 04:13pm
    Para walang away, mag Honda Jazz na lang!.
  • dominic Jul 21 2011 @ 07:42pm
    Ang Montero Sport mabenta kasi we Filipinos believes na basta Japan, maganda... Syempre naniniwala din ako, pero ang Sta. Fe, globally recognized.. Sa Europe nalang, number 1 sila...
  • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 08:42pm
    Oris F1:

    May pa F1-F1 ka pang nalalaman chief ah! hahahaha!!!!

    Baka lingid sa kaalaman mo chief na meron din kami Monterosport. At pawang katotohanan lang naman sinasabi ko na WALA ITONG BINATBAT sa Hyundai Santa Fe performance- at safety-wise.

    Ang ingay pa ng makina ng Monterosport parang Isuzu Crosswind na malaki haha!!!!

    Ngaun, uulitin ko post ko below hanggang maintindihan mo pare koy.... Kahit pa magpa-tumbling tumbling pa tayo sa daan, mag-acrobat at sumayaw WALA PA RIN BINATBAT ang Monterosport natin sa Santa Fe eVGT.... May partida pa nga ang Mitsubishi ah, 2007 pa yang Santa Fe na yan at mistulang NAPAKALAKAS NAAHHHH noon pa man at nagpapahabol pa sa publicity-hungry/ pang-Filipino lang na sikat na Monterosport na humabol sa specs, ngunit WALA PA RIN TALAGA BINATBAT sa kabila ng yabang nito at pagpapa-pogi haha!

    Heto pare koy, uulitin ko at pakibasa lang ulit:

    Yes, by paper-spec, the 2.5-litre Toyota Fortuner is still lesser than the Mitsu Monterosport, BUT the Monterosport is still by far SO SHORT of the 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT in terms of specs, kahit ano pang publicity gawin nito, kulelat pa rin sa kakahabol at sa pag-papapogi sa publicity ahihi....

    Langit-at-lupa ang pagitan ---- 197 metric-hp from the "HUMBLE" yet long-unmatched Santa Fe eVGT against the publicity-hungry Monterosport's 178 metric-hp PFFFFTT.... utot.... Sabi pa nila kaya daw dinala dito ang GTV model nila para daw i-match sa Hyundai Santa Fe eVGT hahahaha!!!!.... utot....

    Besides, the Santa Fe pumps even more unparalleled 435 Nm of peak torque from a generous breadth that is 700 rpm-wide window starting from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm whereas for the pa-pogi Montysport could only manage a measly 350 Nm torque, yet you have to wring out its neck (hanggang labas mga litid nito sa leeg ahihi) up to 3500 rpm and then it falls of rapidly along the rev range ahoho.... PFFFFTT.... ala pa rin binatbat inspite of all the publicity-revolving around where Mitsubishi desperately associates itself with VGT as if it invented it haha! Ahihi....ahoho....ayayay!
    Last modified Jul 21 2011 @ 09:10pm
    • mico101 Jul 22 2011 @ 08:23am
      I agree with this! Nice one, Sir dtkiko! Hyundai's eVGT really powerful! Naka drive na ako ng tucson pa lang yun, 2.0 Diesel lang yun. Pero grabe ang bilis! Pano pa kaya pag yung Santa Fe na!
  • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 08:55pm
    ev9401 and dominic:

    Kayo sir ay tunay na nakakaintindi.... KUDOS to you mga chief!

    Sa Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Europe sa mga lugar na ito kung saan ako nakapagtrabajo sirs, sadyang napakalakas ng Toyota.... at gayun din naman ang Hyundai-Kia. Gaya ng nasabi mo sir ev9401, HINDI PINAPANSIN ang Mitsubishi gaya ng pagtatangkilik ng mga ibang bansa sa Toyota at Kia-Hyundai. Both Toyota and Kia-Hyundai conglomerate command more affection and attention GLOBALLY than the non-Top 10 car manufacturer Mitsubishi hehehehe.... Sa Europe nalang, pag nabanggit mo Hyundai, talagang gustong-gusto ng mga tao.... Tayo lang yatang mga Pinoy ang parang may pagka-prejudice sa mga Korean cars.

    2 geologists na kasama ko dito bumili kamakailan lang ng Hyundai Santa Fe at Hyundai Tucson. Their prior cars before included Toyota Altis, Ford Everest, Mitsubishi Strada at iba pang Japanese. At first, they don't believe that the Korean mades are far better than what the Japs are offering sa Pinas.... But after test-driving them, they no longer want to leave behind the units haha!!!! Kaya yan bumili na sila and they RAVE about their Santa Fe and Tucson and even telling it to me "why they haven't done this long time ago", samantala kaya naman nila bumili ng Korean cars.... hehe....

    Yang Monterosport ay Pajerosport naman dito sa Malaysia sir, ngunit hindi pinapansin dito yan gaya ng pagtangkilik nila sa Santa Fe, Fortuner, at mga Toyota Prado (ranging from the 1KZ-TE up the to current 1KD-FTV engines)....

    Yang Monetrosport namin ni Oris F1 ay pang-Pinoy lang hindi pang-international harhar!!!! Sa totoo lang naman, and Oris F1 doesn't like hearing it haha!!!! ahihi....
    Last modified Jul 21 2011 @ 09:05pm
  • dtkiko Jul 21 2011 @ 10:00pm
    rdjl_13:

    Bossing let me post what you said earlier: "Honestly, Toyota doesn't need to change engines. I still prefer the 3.0L engine of the Fortuner compared to the 2.5L VGT of the Monty. Maybe the Monty wins at hp by only more or less than 10hp but the Fort wins in torque (basis - rpm)."

    Alam mo sir, MALAMANG TAMA KA TALAGA DIYAN!.... Examples here can be referenced from Speedlab's actual chassis-dyno runs concerning the 3-litre Toyota Hilux D4-D (1KD-FTV engine) and the 3.2-litre Mitsubishi Strada Di-D (4M41 engine). If you look into the Unichip product of Speedlab, you will be directed to the before-and-after power and torque gains read from their chassis dynomometer. Remember also that all manufacturer's published power and torque ratings these days now are based on and should be based on DIN standards or horsepower at the wheel, whether it be in bhp or metric-hp (ps).

    Look closely into the data and you'll see in there that a stock-trim 3-litre Toyota Hilux actually makes a peak of 383 Nm at 2500 rpm, which is far greater than what is published by Toyota as only being 343 Nm. And the gains on the Unichip alone were staggering! It gained 72 Nm more after installations and tuning of the diesel EFi chip up to a final 454.7 Nm of torque HUWAAAW!!!! Less than 20 Nm nalang halos kasing torque na ito ang bagong 2012 3.2-litre 5-cylinder Ford Ranger (470 Nm peak torque as published).

    Now, look at the 3.2-litre Strada naman.... (Just convert bhp and lb-ft to metric-hp and Nm to get the metric values). Inconsistent ang Strada ayayay! Napakababa ng wheel-torque nito ---- 312 Nm lang (or 231 lb-ft force) by the chassis-dyno compared sa pina-published nila na 343 Nm daw-kuno ang kaya nito ayayay!!!! At kailangan pang mag-rev hanggang 3000 rpm (samantala 2500 rpm lang sa Hilux) para makuha ang peak torque nito na sadya naman talagang mababa kaysa sa pina-publish ng Mitsubishi....
    ....Tapos sinalpakan na ng Unichip, sinalpakan na ng alcohol injection ngunit lamang pa rin ang gains ng Hilux na Unichip lang ang ikinabit ---- 454.7 Nm sa Hilux by UniChip lang at 410 Nm naman sa Strada na sinalpakan na ng Unichip plus alcohol injection NYAHAHAHAHA!!!! WALA TALAGA BINATBAT sa Toyota!!!!

    Kaya no doubt na yang GTV-GTV kuno na yan baka ganoon din ang istorya niyan GANE.... 350 Nm peak torque daw sabi nila at 3500 rpm ---- Goodluck! Naku poh!!!!.... Hindi namin kayo tatantana-nan!!!! Mel, Mel, Mel PASOK!!!! ahihi.... ahoho....

    Reputable company at may integrity talaga ang Toyota sir!
    Last modified Jul 21 2011 @ 10:11pm
  • dominic Jul 21 2011 @ 10:43pm
    I totally agree with you Sir dtkiko!
  • Knowell Jul 22 2011 @ 07:55am
    He's baaaaaaaaaaaack!!! :-DD
  • Oris F1 Jul 22 2011 @ 11:24am
    Hahaha! Apektadong apektado ka ha :-)

    Let me make this clear---di ko sinasabing hindi reputable ang kahit anong car company whether it be Toyota or even your ever favorite KIA, moreover i did not contest your figures and specs presented. Nor did I present any facts or figures on the sales performance and customer preference and satisfaction on the Montero/Pajero Sport or any mitsubishi product for that matter here or abroad. (and besides nasaan ba tayo? Pinas ba o Europe)

    I just need you to answer point by point WHY is it that if indeed the SF is such a great machine overall (and I'm not saying it isnt), then why doesnt it translate to an impressive generation of sales values here in our very own backyard??? San ba nag kulang?

    Just so were clear...I have a Fort and an Innova and they've served me and my family well. (besides my comments have not and is not againts toyota or even KIA....its the way you have made your presentation and defense on the SF sound more desperate due to its inability to have an impressive sales performance here in PINAS...)

    My "only good for the Philippines" GTV is likewise my current favorite and it hasnt let me down so far. We can always present global trends and so on, but at the end of the day and back on Philippine soil, we can look at the local scenario and ask, nasaan na nga ba ang competition? haha!

    Uulitin ko----good luck!

    PS---Di ko inembento ang ORIS F1 (Oris F1 Team williams chronograph). Weekend watch ko ito at d pa cute lang, hahaha!



  • dtkiko Jul 22 2011 @ 06:13pm
    Mico 101: "Yeah, i usually saw ferman lao at speedlab. I based my 1800 to 3500 rpm at the spec sheet of Mitsubishi Montero and I just check-out your link and you're right! Thanks for that!
    http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/dtk1/vgt_chart.jpg

    I have a question for you, would you choose Montero over this new Fortuner or you would choose Santa Fe? I'm thinking of buying good SUV."


    Good day Mico101.

    That's exactly the point ---- for those unsuspecting car buyers and even those not in-the-know of what peak torque is all about (it is the region along the powerband where an engine is performing at most efficient in terms of power output and fuel-efficiency), many are mislead about Mitsubishi's false torque breadth on the GTV, especially those who don't care about reading and understanding torque-rpm graphs, that is only a simple representation of the rpm variable vs. torque variable arranged in X-Y plane. Mitsu is desperate actually up to get every SUV sales even lying before consumers.... However, dito lang sa Pilipinas "click" ang kasinungalingan nila, not in other parts of the world where the Monterosport is actually a NEVERHEARD haha!!!! Unlike the TOYOTA FORTUNER and HYUNDAI SANTA FE, of course.

    So, generally when you see a peak torque spread out so BROADLY along the powerband, like that of the 3-litre Fortuner D4-D (from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm), or a 2.2-litre Santa Fe eVGT (unparalleled 435 Nm from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm), expect it that it is way way way better to pull things up for you, especially in slick-slippery uphills, even when you ease the accelerator-pedal ---- this means that even when you're running at 2000 plus rpm on the Fortuner, for example, that even when you slow down to say 1500 rpm, you're sure that you have that 343 Nm consistent peak torque (or the pulling power) on tap. Much is the same way also with the Santa Fe eVGT as well as the new 2.5-litre Fortuner (144 metric-hp and 343 Nm torque from 1600 rpm to 2800 rpm)....

    Moreover, the time that these engines, 3-litre Fortuner, and new 2.5-litre Forty, and the 2.2-litre Santa Fe, reach their OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE (remember the peak torque per se), comes way EARLIER from even the lower revs of the powerband unlike that of the overrated high-profile Monterosport GTV that has to be wring out (hanggang labas na mga litid nito sa leeg sa kakabirit mo) up to a diesel-high rev of 3500 rpm until you realise that 350 Nm that it says it promises daw hehe.... Below that region along the rpm range, anemic ang Monterosport, and unfortunately in reality, the manner of how it picks up its torque while you're pushing hard the accelerator-pedal IS ALSO THE SAME WAY you loses that torque when you ease the pedal ---- becasue it doesn't have a wide peak torque region and its torque output is peaky yet it falls off rapidly fast upon reaching it 3500 rpm.... Besides, it only makes a measly 250 Nm of torque at 1800 rpm, not 350 Nm as falsified evidently by Mitsubishi....

    IT IS NOT ONLY Ferman Lao that knows about that way lesser torque at sub-2000 rpm of the Montysport GTV, that it only makes 250 Nm at 1800 rpm. The Australians as well have got the same opinions about the GTV powerplant on their pickup UTE Tritons (Strada in Philippines). There is an article about the DPChip EFi-tuning kit that described the Triton ---- the Australians say that the power on a stock-trim Triton is anemic down 2000 rpm citing even further that "NOTHING MUCH REALLY HAPPENS BELOW 2000 RPM, NOT MUCH TO BE EXCITED ABOUT" and that the installation of a DPChip improves a bit things up for them for pulling purposes.

    If i were to choose between all the stock-trim new 2.5-litre Fortuner and the 2.5-litre Monterosport GTV, i will choose the BETTER torque-provider Toyota Fortuner, as i know it has a wide powerband window and that is where it's really really efficient. Now, if you ask me about the 3-litre Forty D4-D over the 2.5-litre Monty GTV, of course, it's a no-brainer, i will choose the 3-litre Fortuner D4-D ---- REMEMBER that in actual dyno-chassis run by Speedlab Phils, that stock-trim 3-litre 1 KD-FTV engine actually pumps out 383 Nm of peak torque at the rear wheel of the 3-litre Hilux, which is even way way above than what Toyota publicised as only being 343 Nm.

    Now, if the choices involve the Santa Fe in this mix of 7-seater SUVs/ CUVs, then i will choose the SANTA FE over all of them, from a range of PhP1.5 M (4x2 Santa Fe eVGT) to PhP1.7 M (4x4 Santa Fe eVGT) price tags.

    Furthermore, if you want me to take it a bit more ---- between the 7-seater Santa Fe eVGT 4x4 that cost around PhP1.79 M against the gasoline-fed 5-seater 2.5-litre SUBARU FORESTER XT all-wheel drive that cost around PhP1.75 M, i might be tempted to choose the 230-metric hp Forester. There's no SUV/ CUV out there that pumps out this much of unprecedented power, and for what it cost for a well-engineered car!!!!
    ....For a gasoline fed, the Forester also makes a very decent 320 Nm of peak torque at even a much lower rev of 2800 rpm compared to the highly-strung Monty GTV needing 3500 rpm. It makes 33 more horses than the Santa Fe and it makes a WHOPPING 52 more horses than the heavier Monty GTV. The SUBARU FORESTER is even the LIGHTEST of them all, the QUICKEST handling, and the FASTEST of them all, and YOU GET ALL THESE FEATURES (except 2 more passenger seats of course) for about the same price like the others.

    GOODLUCK on your choices!
    Last modified Jul 22 2011 @ 06:22pm
    • macpro Jul 22 2011 @ 06:54pm
      Sir, I have been searching online for the "horsepower and torque curve chart" of the fortuner and santa fe but I could not find one. Montero sport has included this info in their brochure and website but the other two vehicles didn't. Do you have the link where we could view this.
    • mico101 Jul 22 2011 @ 07:12pm
      Hands down! Actually at the start, I'm more on the Toyota than Mitsubishi, that is because of brand loyalty. But after reading this I would say I want Toyota Fortuner not only because of brand loyalty but because of its performance as well. Thank you Sir dtkiko!
      • dtkiko Jul 24 2011 @ 05:10pm
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        Last modified Jul 24 2011 @ 05:12pm
    • dtkiko Jul 24 2011 @ 05:12pm
      Mico, between the two, you won't go wrong with the Toyota!

      But, try test-driving the Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT.... Chances are, you will change your mind (for the best) haha!
  • macpro Jul 24 2011 @ 10:03am
    As per mitsubishi's published brochure, the montero sport's peak torque is 350nm at 1800-3500 rpm. Mitsubishi's brochure also shows the torque chart where we can see that the actual peak is at 3500 rpm. In fortuner's case, toyota states that fortuner's peak torque is 343nm at 1400-3200 rpm. However, toyota does not show the torque chart so we don't know at what rpm the actual peak is achieved. If anybody can show the torque chart of fortuner, it would be greatly appreciated.
    I actually agree with sir dtkiko if the basis of the arguments were true. However, I could not find any proof that the specs wherein these arguments are based, are true. Mitsubishi is publishing its torque chart but toyota is not.
    These are all paper spec. In real life performance, however, the GTV is clearly faster than the fortuner V. as we have tried racing the two cars (all stock) several times. Anybody can try this to see for yourself. On normal driving conditions, the GTV is also the more fuel efficient as it averages 8-9 kms/lt while fortuner V does 7-8 kms/lt city driving. This is why I'm questioning these paper spec given since it does not seem to translate to better real life performance.
    In choosing car, It is important to choose the car with the complete package. Never look at one aspect only. Engine power, fuel efficiency, riding comfort, off road capability, durability, price, are some of the main features important in buying a SUV.
  • dtkiko Jul 24 2011 @ 04:40pm
    Macpro:

    My friend, lemme direct you instead into the actual chassis-dynamometer runs of Speedlab Phils. concerning the 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine on the Toyota Hilux D4-D. Hang a bit with me here and try to fully understand everything....

    As you know, chassis dynamometer runs are actually measured from the wheel of the vehicle reckoned as net hp ratings taking into account "parasitic losses" (friction losses) running from the engine to the transmission down to the bearings and onto the wheels. This is somehow called as power and torque by DIN standards.

    The 3-litre Toyota Hilux D4-D, incidentally it shares the same 1KD-FTV powerplant with the Fortuner D4-D, has long been equipped with VGT. Since 2001, Toyota had been using the VGT, but it is not way published in a "BIG DEAL" like what Mitsubishi is doing these days just to increase its sales, frankly-speaking.... In this actual chassis dyno-run, it is clear that for a stock-trim 3-litre 1KD-FTV, it makes an actual 383 Nm of peak torque at the rear wheel at 2500 rpm, which is 40 Nm more than what Toyota publicised in its torque specs. Why the difference, if you ask me ---- frankly i do not know? Could this mean that Toyota actually "normalised" all its data concerning the 1KD-FTV engine as per the required DIN standards to say 90% probability of occurence? I also do not know....

    Here's the Speedlab link concerning the 3.0-litre Hilux (see the baseline reading in "red", the "blue" is after the installation of the Unichip, copy-and-paste link): http://www.speedlab.com.ph/products/unichip/hilux.jpg

    Now, if you want to take the argument further just to compare the consistencies of Toyota as against Mitsubishi's claim on its 3.2-litre Strada Di-D that is using the Pajero's 4M41 engine, here's the link (copy-and-paste link): http://www.speedlab.com.ph/products/unichip/strada.jpg

    In this alone, you could already see that the stock-trim 3.2-litre Strada could only managed around 313 Nm of torque that can only be attained at even a higher rev of 3000 rpm than what it is publishing as 343 Nm of torque at 2000 rpm. It even makes lesser horsepower than what it publishes, 145.5 bhp against 160 bhp (or 163 metric-hp or 163 ps). Also, just convert the 231.1 lb (force)-ft to Nm and you'd get around 313 Nm.

    This is also the reason why i do not believe Mitsubishi's claim on its 2.5-litre 4D56 running the VGT now as 350 Nm at 3500 rpm. There is really only one way to find it all out, through a real-wheel chassis-dyno run like this one as described.

    i do not have a published torque curve of the Hilux/ Fortuner and i just take them as they are coz i know it's been proven to be worthy to be taken based on the preceding explanations above. What i can show you is the published torque curve of the 2006 model 3.0-litre 4JJ1-TCX engine of the Isuzu DMax VGS Turbo (copy-and-paste-link): http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/dtk1/4JJ1-TCXDmax.jpg

    As you can see there, a typical 3.0-litre diesel CRDi engine puts out a "classic" long breadth of torque (360 Nm from 1800 rpm to 2800 rpm). This DMax is the one with the VGT and this hasn't reached yet our Philippine shores. As published, it makes 163 metric-hp and 360 Nm of torque from 1800 rpm to 2800 rpm. But like i said, in actual condition, there is still one way to find out if this claim is true, as explained already above, notwithstanding the climate condition in Philippines (e.g. temperature and humidity variables that influences peak performance measurements).

    Just like Toyota Motors, Isuzu Motors Japan had long been manufacturing and exporting diesel CRDi engines with VGT's to Europe since 2001.... long before Mitsubishi adopted the VGT for large-scale distibution, such as we see now. Isuzu had been making this 3-litre CRDi engiens with VGT for Saab of Sweden, Opel of Germany and Renault of France and they comply with Euro 3 emission standards since 2001.

    Now, if you ask me which one is really i think is the best amongst these SUV's/ CUV's, i would say it that it's the Hyundai Santa Fe, why? Because apart from its outstanding safety features (5-star Euro NCAP rating), and advanced CRDi eVGT engine, it actually runs even more fuel efficient that the rest of them all and yet it makes the most power and torque. The 2.2-litre Santa Fe R eVGT 7-seater SUV/ CUV could accomplished easily its published top speed of 190 kph while only revving 3392 rpm. No Japanese diesel SUV out there could match this outstanding trait and optimum power and fuel-effieciency that the Santa Fe offers.

    If you want to explore more and to prove to you why the Santa Fe over all of them, let me direct you to this link where i posted some calculations on the 2.5-litre Subaru Forester versus the 2.2-litre Santa Fe R eVGT. This is in *****.com, in the "Subaru Forum" and i go by the name of "hinDMaxsiado" (copy-and-paste links)

    http://*****.com/forums/subaru-cars-talk-124/2-5-litre-subaru-forester-awd-2-2-litre-hyundai-sante-fe-evgt-4x4-82470/

    http://*****.com/forums/subaru-cars-talk-124/2-5-litre-subaru-forester-awd-2-2-litre-hyundai-sante-fe-evgt-4x4-82470/index2.html

    Kind regards.
    • Regstmbg Jul 27 2011 @ 11:04am
      Well presented, fortuner pa rin. Thanks!
  • dtkiko Jul 24 2011 @ 05:00pm
    Macpro:

    Concerning the last two links i've provided you, hmmm.... TG Phils. auto-disables the link to the "other" Pinoy car forum hehehehe....

    Just changed those stars "*****" to t-s-i-k-ot in continuous spelling (you know what i mean Mac).... i go by the name "hinDMaxsiado"

    Kind regards.
    Last modified Jul 24 2011 @ 05:03pm
  • macpro Jul 24 2011 @ 10:39pm
    @dtkiko: Thank you so much sir for the links and the info, it's truly very interesting. It seems that the Isuzu engine has the best power curve. It's torque peak is really almost flat, hehehe. On the strada's dyno results, I find it typical since as far as I know and as you also stated earlier, power losses are inevitable from the engine going to the wheels especially in this particular case wherein the strada tested is equipped with an automatic transmission. What I do find surprising is the result of the hilux wherein the dyno results is higher than the manufacturer's claim. Are you sure there are no modifications made to this hilux prior to testing? Maybe an upgrade in air filter or something which increases power. It really is very unusual, for any stock car for that matter, to have results such as this. Thanks again sir.
  • mrv@toyotamakatiinc Jul 26 2011 @ 07:49am
    hey hey all of you who degrade this new toyota fortuner.. you dont know what your saying! to see is to believe.. haha i saw it already live and in person.. you'll appreciate it in person...
  • lanzelim Jul 26 2011 @ 09:27pm
    the worst foretuner ever. pls make a little effort on your design toyota.
  • tophe Jul 27 2011 @ 10:17pm
    facelift. same suspension, no engine upgrade, some bling blings. hahaha
  • dtkiko Jul 29 2011 @ 08:32pm
    Regstmbg: "Well presented, Fortuner pa rin. Thanks!"

    Definitely Sir Regstmbg, tama ka!!! BASTA TOYOTA sir, may CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY!
    ....Kapag nagbigay ng paper specs ang Toyota Motors, you can be sure that it's all there in the real-world measurements....

    No wonder why this relatively newly-posted article has such a great-following as you can see it recieved 134 comments so far compared to the old article featuring the publicity-hungry Mitsubishi on its Monterosport VGT, incidentally receiving only plus 50 comments hahahaha!!!!

    This is a testament why Toyota is the No. 1 auto-manufacturing company in the world. The other (Mitsubishi) is stomped and pushed back where it's not even in the Top 10 hahahahaha!!!!

    Toyota even announces and takes responsibility on recalls of its product, a living-proof of its honesty to customers....

    Bottom-line, TOYOTA is a non-pretensious highly-reputable and credible carmaker....

    Kind regards.
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