Mitsubishi upgrades the Montero Sport for 2012

 

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The year may not be yet over Mitsubishi Motors Philippines has seen fit to upgrade the Montero Sport.

For the 2012 model of the Montero Sport, Mitsubishi Philippines is offering more refinements and technological advancements to it to make the ride more enjoyable. Leading the fresh batch of upgrades is the five-speed Invecs-II automatic transmission with Sportronic mode and magnesium alloy paddle shifters for the Montero Sport GLS V 4x2. Also new for 2012 is that the manual transmission-equipped variants of the Montero Sport now also get the variable geometry turbo (VGT) technology that was introduced to the lineup earlier this year, boosting the manual variants' power output to 176hp and 400Nm of torque.

Other upgraded that the rest of the Montero Sport lineup has received are the ventilated rear disc brakes, overhead aircon vents for both second and third row passengers and cruise control for the Montero Sport GLS V 2WD and 4WD and GTV variants.

The latest upgrades follow the ones the Montero Sport received earlier this year, like the VGT turbo and the fully-integrated multimedia and multi-information system with its single-DIN, in-dash 7-inch liquid crystal display (LCD) monitor and touchscreen interface. With themulti-information system, accessing the vehicle's vital information such as its fuel consumption, speed, range, direction, outside temperature, outside pressure, elevation, and periodic service maintenance reminder isnow made easier with just a touch on the LCD screen.

In addition, the Montero Sport GTV, GLS-V 4WD, and GLS-V 2WD models were equipped with global positioning navigation system while the Montero Sport GTV and GLS V 4WD variants also received the tire pressure monitoring system, which relays the real time condition of all tires such as air pressure and temperature.

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  • alfranz3 Oct 20 2011 @ 12:24am
    Another slam to its Toyota competitor.
  • francolim1990 Oct 20 2011 @ 12:45am
    this spells TROUBLE for the fortuner.
  • ChairmanPineapple Oct 20 2011 @ 01:45am
    wow! This gives the carnappers another reason to make montero climb to the top spot of being the most carnapped vehicle of the year!
  • Jetwash Oct 20 2011 @ 06:23am
    why the upgrade:
    A. their parts factory in Thailand is underwater,
    B. MMC is trying to `fix' the sudden acceleration issue.
    • dominic Oct 20 2011 @ 01:23pm
      Panlinlang sa issue
    • otto_meister Oct 20 2011 @ 05:20pm
      "Marunong ka pa sa Mitsubishi."
  • Andrew Guerrero
    Andrew Guerrero Oct 20 2011 @ 06:42am
    I wonder why the Mintero Sport continues with the old Olivier Boulay designed "Pizza" Grill.
    All other Mitsubishi models ditched that grill design a long time ago.
  • barry Oct 20 2011 @ 07:23am
    bottomline...nothing is new...upgrades lang naman.
  • ceejhay Oct 20 2011 @ 09:57am
    is there anything like this for the strada?
  • joab565 Oct 20 2011 @ 10:44am
    What is the difference between the MS GTV 4WD and MS GLS-V 4WD?
    • katsikot Oct 20 2011 @ 05:57pm
      Diffrences: The GT-V is the 4WD Variant. It gets a hybrid limited-slip differential, leather seats, and faux wood interior trims. The GLS-V on the other hand, is the 2WD variant, it has "sports" cloth seats, aluminum interior trims, its 2WD, and it has no hybrid LSD.
    • bruce Oct 20 2011 @ 07:00pm
      i think the difference si that the MS GTV 4WD has variable geometry turbo, has a higher horsepower..
      • tgstig Oct 21 2011 @ 12:06pm
        all the 2012 variants of MS has the same engine, all fitted with VGTs.
    • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:18pm
      Ay tapos yung GT-V has Xenon headlights while the lesser variants (GLS-V, GLS, GLX-V, GLX) make do with halogen headlights.
    • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:45pm
      and there is no GLS-V 4WD, the GT-V is the 4WD variant while the GLS-V is the 4x2 variant.
      • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:09pm
        @ka****** magkakarun pa lng ng GLS-V 4WD sa 2012 pero wla pa ngayun
    • katsikot Oct 25 2011 @ 09:19pm
      Sorry rdjl_13 and kyoichi sudo. My bad. There is a GLS-V 4x4. The difference between the GT-V and the GLS-V 4x4 would be the transmission (GT-V: 5 Speed A/T, GLS-V: 4x4 5 Speed M/T), interior (GT-V: Leather with wood trims, GLS-V 4x4: Sports Cloth with silver trims), headlamps (GT-V: Xenon, GLS-V 4x4: Halogen), grille (GT-V: Honeycomb grille with GT-V emblem, GLS-V 4x4: Chrome with slats), and Price (GT-V: 1.7m, GLS-V 4x4: 1.5m).
  • redcat Oct 20 2011 @ 01:07pm
    wow! 5 speed a/t 4x2
  • dominic Oct 20 2011 @ 01:24pm
    Ang bilis mag fade nung V sa GLS-V
    • katsikot Oct 20 2011 @ 05:58pm
      Oo nga! Mabilis din matanggal. Pati yung GT-V, yung emblem sa front grille nag wawarp dahil sa engine heat.
      • dominic Oct 20 2011 @ 06:02pm
        hahah lagi ko nakikita yun eh. nagmumuhkang luma tuloy
        • Vinzy Oct 20 2011 @ 08:13pm
          I wish Mitsu. can do some changes for emblem
          • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:21pm
            They have actually, yung sticker sa likod ng GLS-V mukang iniba na and the front grille emblem of the GT-V, may parang backing/support na di kagaya dati emblem lang.
  • rdjl_13 Oct 20 2011 @ 04:00pm
    @joab565 GLS-V 4x4 has a M/T transmission. GTV has a A/T transmission. :D
    • katsikot Oct 20 2011 @ 05:59pm
      both the GLS-V and the GT-V sport 5-Speed Invecs-II transmissions, and the GLS-V has no LSD.
      • rdjl_13 Oct 20 2011 @ 06:03pm
        That is for the GLS-V 4X2 version. His question was for the GLS-V 4x4 version. :D
        • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:23pm
          The 4x4 variant is called the GT-V, not GLS-V 4x4. The GLS-V is the A/T 4x2 variant while the GT-V is the A/T 4x4 variant. Walang GLS-V 4x4.
          • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:11pm
            ka****** magkakaroon pa lng ng GLS-V 4WD, manual yan tapos ung GLS-V 2WD, matic yan getz?
            • katsikot Oct 24 2011 @ 10:33pm
              Ahh sorry di ko nakita. Sorry @Kyoichi Sudo and @rdjl_13, ngayon ko lang nakita yung 2012 price list. :) meron palang GLS-V 4x4 M/T.
  • suvfan93 Oct 20 2011 @ 04:21pm
    Ayos! 400Nm & 176hp for the manual models. I wonder when TGP would review those in the magazine. Sana mag-release rin Mitsubishi Motors Philippines ng six-speed manual for the Monty. It would make it harder for the Fortuner to compete with them, if so released ang 6MT
  • windel Oct 20 2011 @ 04:31pm
    still not impressed. . . toyota pa rin. toyota makes better cars.
    • katsikot Oct 20 2011 @ 06:01pm
      Well that's your opinion, then we'll respect it. Although on paper, and in real life, the MS just beats the Fortuner in terms of power, handling, ride-comfort(yes, kahit yung bagong fortuner), features, cost. Although I still love the look of the 1st facelifted fortuner.
      • dominic Oct 20 2011 @ 06:11pm
        mas more formal yung last gen
        • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:24pm
          yep! yun yung favorite fortuner ko, yung unang facelift. pinakagwapo na fortuner ever.
      • windel Oct 20 2011 @ 09:11pm
        thanks for the info ka******. . .
    • katsikot Oct 20 2011 @ 06:02pm
      Post your reply...
      • Vinzy Oct 20 2011 @ 08:11pm
        I agree with ka****** :)
  • otto_meister Oct 20 2011 @ 05:19pm
    Is it just me or most posted comments against this 2012 Montero Sport? Talk about haters. :-)
  • angelcave89 Oct 20 2011 @ 06:45pm
    Sana na facelift din naguumpisa nang tumanda ung design nya
  • gundam Oct 20 2011 @ 08:18pm
    The way i read it. The GLX-V will be the fastest among the variants. That's a bad strategy of mitsubishi. I don't like the entry level GLX-V [more torque] overtaking my TOTL GTV [lower torque]. Maybe its just me pero first time pa lang ako makakita ng ganyan na mas powerful ang lower priced variant.
    • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:27pm
      Actually, I do agree. They should have specced the GLS-V a bit lower than what they did. Pero the GLX-V and the GT-V have the same amount of torque naman so thats okay. Still okay lang yun, mabilis naman yung GT-V eh(faster than a fort!).
  • AuiBoy Oct 20 2011 @ 10:02pm
    parang iphone 4S lang hehhehe....we still want to see upgrades on the outside but the way montero looks its very difficult to do facelift!!! Fortuner prin ako on my opinion...
  • dtkiko Oct 21 2011 @ 01:11am
    Yang manual na yan (400 Nm peak torque), PAGMASDAN ninyo powerband niyan hehe.... Hindi sila magkalayo ng anemic-power na Nissan Navara (403 Nm peak torque) ----

    ---- At a single-spot na 2000 rpm lang ang peak torque niyan at ang bilis niyan bumaba in a nose-dive manner past 2000 rpm even when revving it harder and harder hehe....
    • JoHunter Oct 21 2011 @ 10:54am
      i agree. high torque is useless with a narrow torque range.
  • dtkiko Oct 21 2011 @ 01:20am
    Kahit ano pa man yan na pa GT-V GT-V o MT-V kuno kahit to the 2nd-power pa yan, wala pa rin binatbat yang Mitsu Montysport sa 2.2-litre Hyundai Santa Fe R-eVGT (197 ps, 435 Nm torque)....

    ....Partida pa yan ah, matagal ng nagpapahabol ang Santa Fe pero kahit magkumahog si Montysport GT-V o MT-V pa kahit ano pa yan, wala pa rin binatbat talaga hehe....

    ....Ngaun pa na sa 2012 to 2013, may bago ng lalabas na mas maganda at powerful na Hyundai Santa Fe hehe....
    • dominic Oct 21 2011 @ 01:36am
      meron na sir ads yung Monty sa commercial... as usual promoting the GT-V
    • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:34pm
      There's no point comparing the Montero (Body on frame SUV) and the Santa-fe (Monocoque body) really. Those two cars are in different categories. The Montero should be compared to it's true competors, namely the Fortuner, the Alterra, the Everest and the other body on frame SUVs(SUV segment). The Santa-fe meanwhile, should be compared to the Kia Sorento(its cousin), the Mazda CX-9 (the bigger one), and other monocoque SUVs(crossover segment).

      I've seen your other comments and it's quite cleaer that you have the Monty a lot.
      • katsikot Oct 21 2011 @ 07:35pm
        *I've seen your other comments and it's quite clear that you hate the Monty a lot.
      • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:07pm
        correct!
    • yokam888 Oct 22 2011 @ 02:46am
      yeah comparing the monty to the sta. fe is like comparing a ufc fighter (monty) to a wwe wrestler (sta. fe), the sta. fe may look like an off-roader but actually its just a softroader. lamang nga sa hp and torque ang sta. fe pero paakyatin mo ng bundok, mag ti-twist ang body nyan (if it can even climb mountains)
    • robin_micmac Oct 22 2011 @ 07:33am
      may low range gearbox ba ang santa fe?
      • katsikot Oct 22 2011 @ 10:37am
        wala. AWD sya. Di sya yung may 4WD-2WD hi-lo mode. kumbaga palaging on yung yung 4WD, and hanggang dun lang, no low range.
      • katsikot Oct 22 2011 @ 10:40am
        wala. AWD sya. Di sya yung may 4WD-2WD hi-lo mode. kumbaga palaging on yung yung 4WD, and hanggang dun lang, no low range.
    • meljeffrey_delacruz Oct 22 2011 @ 03:34pm
      i think sa mga nauna na nag reply dito all have a vg point...mabuti nalang nabasa ko replies nyo mga bro. I agree with u all na hindi nga dapat compare ang monty sa sta fe.....so bottom line ay if as a buyer ay ano ba ang purpose ng car mo....if ur going for city driving or highway driving like cemented roads lang ay go for the sta fe....if u have plans to go for some off roading or uncemented roads and also crossing some few inches of water ay go for the monty. Well i dont have either monty or sta fe kasi i bought last yr CRV 4wd in favour of sta fe....
    • fortis Oct 23 2011 @ 08:54pm
      Ipagmalaki mo kay Jeremy Clarkson yang Hyundai mo :)
    • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 09:27pm
      Fortis:

      Haha! Nilusaw niya nga yung 90's model na Hyundai sa TopGear segment niya hehe.... Dahil daw dog-eaters mga Koreans....

      Ano nalang kaya kung ang Sarao o Francisco Motors na jeep pa ma-feature? Kilala din naman mga Pinoy na kumakain ng aso....
    • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:31pm
      O wag kang iiyak sa Top Gear dahil marami ka lng nakikita na Montero sa labas kaysa yang bulok na Hyundai Santa Fe na sinasabe mo. Alam ko iba ang performance nyan kapag ikumpara sa Montero, pero hindi naman siya ganun ka dalas dahil kasi "Korean". Kaya wag kang mayabang TSONG, para ka na kasi FEELER na iyak nang iyak tungkol sa pagkaayaw mo sa Montero. Yung mga sasakyan ng mga koreano, pang mga BAKLA lng yan. Di mo lng kc kaya bumili ng sasakyan ng Mitsubishi kaya yan lng kaya mo gawin sa sarili mong mundo. May 5 years warranty yan dahil parati yan nasa CASA hahahaha! Iyak ka pa, bakla ka nomon!
  • ying Oct 21 2011 @ 05:34am
    hmmmm worth checking it out. But Mitsu you can do better than that.

  • chris_t610 Oct 21 2011 @ 05:48am
    and I thought they would release a Rally type Montero...
  • nestortinam Oct 21 2011 @ 07:43am
    ang masasabi ko lang di maganda customer relations ng Mitsubishi, not all pero sa exp. ko 3 branches na.
    Sa Sales pa lang palpak na.
  • JoHunter Oct 21 2011 @ 10:56am
    Oh yeah, make it look good on paper. Tanong ko lang is will these minor enhancements make Monty users take this to off-road jaunts? Again I think buying SUVs with no intention of off-roading is ridiculous.
    • 17Sphynx17 Oct 21 2011 @ 04:34pm
      I think its not much the off roading part as it is the flood wading capability it can give. Kind of like a top of the line Innova against a Fortuner. For a marginal difference, you could get a fortuner, hauling capacility for passenger/persons but slightly better prestige compared to the Innova (pertaining to the visual impact/presence).

      Just my two cents sir. =)
  • Adrian Oct 21 2011 @ 11:01am
    Naku i hpoe na bumenta pa din ang facelifted na toyota fortuner, dpat kasi allnew na un ei.
    • 17Sphynx17 Oct 21 2011 @ 04:36pm
      I guess they'll try and push out the Vnt Fortuners and Hiluxes next year maybe? Perhaps its more of a supply chain issue since Thailand is most likely a bigger market/priority so we still get the same engine in our markets. Can't help but wait. I doubt they'd hold out too long to release the VnT Fortuners and Hiluxes and maybe hopefully Innovas as well. =)
      • Adrian Oct 28 2011 @ 04:49pm
        Dpat tlga sa lalong madaling panahon my all new na at dpat 180Hp na sya. sa presyong P1.9 M
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 21 2011 @ 04:31pm
    I wonder what the FC is for the 4x2. Previously the 4AT 4x2 only got a maximum FC of 13km/l on highway. Would the additional gear makes this marginally higher? Around 15km/l or still the same?

    Wonder also what the around 2000rpm range "Cruising speed" is, because that is around 90-100kph for the 4AT 4x2.

  • dtkiko Oct 21 2011 @ 04:40pm
    JoHunter: i agree. high torque is useless with a narrow torque range.

    Sir JoHunter, thanks for your no non-sense reply! Buti ka pa nakakaintindi hehe.... Nagagalit pa mga Mitsu fanatics pag nababasa nila yan sa kabila ng katotohanan hehe.... Samantala yan pa rin naman ang lumang 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT hehe.... Kaya sadyang taob-na-taob yan sa Hyundai Santa Fe R-eVGT (197 ps, 435 Nm torue from 1800 rpm to 3500 rpm, which is broad peak torque na rin yan)....

    Kaya nga pang-Pilipinas lang talaga Mitsubishi sir eh.... at hindi recognised ang Mitsu sa World's Top 100 Product Quality that people really trust and put their money on. Buti pa TOYOTA (undisputed No. 1) at HYUNDAI (No. 61). Never heard talaga Mitsubishi paglabas ng Pinas sa totoo lang, maliban sa japan siempre.... Bukod diyan, hindi din recognised ang Mitsubishi sa Top 10 World's Biggest Car Manufacturers in the World. No. 1 pa rin ang TOYOTA at No. 4 ang HYUNDAI....

    Kaya nga kahit anong gawin ng Mitsubishi dito sa Pinas, hindi apektado ang TOYOTA Motors.... At lalong hindi apektado sa mga insulto at kutya ng iilan lang na Mitsubishi fanatics hehe.... Kitang-kita ebidensiya, pang World Class ang TOYOTA at pang Pinoy class ang Mitsubishi hehe....

    • Adrian Oct 28 2011 @ 04:52pm
      Tama! no. 1 ang toyota pati sa amerika nitong top 100 quality companys september updates sa fortune magazine! Good job toyota! i hope na magkaroon na ng All new ang Fortuner nxt yr!
    • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:32pm
      Bakla ka, wag kang mayabang. FEELER! >_
  • dtkiko Oct 21 2011 @ 05:38pm
    17Sphynx17:

    TRUE sir, if you're around 2000 rpm, even with the 5-speed auto-tranny Monterosport GT-V, you would be cruising at a speed of 101 kph. The Monty GTV's differential gear-ratio (or final drive) is set at 3.917 and the 5th-gear at 0.731.

    Kaya nga sir MAS MAGANDA pa cruising speed ng 3.0-litre TOYOTA Fortuner D4-D kahit 4-speed auto-tranny lang ito. Ang final drive ratio ng 3.0 Forty ay 3.727 at ang 4th-gear ratio nito ay 0.705. Sa 2000 rpm it is running around 110.7 kph.

    Kaya nga tawa ako ng tawa sa mga Mitsu fanatics na pinagpipilit nilang mas mabilis daw Monty GTV kaysa 3.0 Forty D4-D, hehe.... Cluster-meter or speedometer pala pinagbabasihan kaya ang lalakas loob maki-debate at hindi pala gearing specifications. Hindi naman accurate talaga ang cluster speedometer sa totoo lang, indicative speed puede pa, BUT not true cruising speed.

    Ang HYUNDAI Santa Fe R e-VGT naman, at 2000 rpm, it is running around 112 kph by gearing specs. However, sa speedometer it is running 120 kph. Dahil sa ganda ng transmission ng Santa Fe R eVGT it can actually run 190 kph even while revving only at 3392 rpm, which is still way way below the rpm-range where its peak horsepower of 197 ps is located, 3800 rpm.
    • 17Sphynx17 Oct 21 2011 @ 06:06pm
      thanks sir. Again, your insight is highly appreciated. =)

      Do love the 3.0 D4D of the Fort, hands down better than Monty 2.5 4x4, no question about it. =) Never understood Mitsu's action regarding that also. Price doesn't justify it against competition IMHO.

      Love the engine of Sta Fe, I do however think the non-OEM multimedia kit by Winterpine is causing problems for some owners. They would rather revert back to the Hyundai OEM multimedia system I believe. Problem with the CD player sometimes in some units etc.

      As for our Monty, I have problem with Winterpine's alarm. Switches to valet mode and is too sensitive or goes haywire just immeditely after activation. Really hate it so I switch it off til I have it "adjusted" by them, if that would even work. Sometimes, the multimedia system hangs for me, just freezes in the boot up screen so I have to shut off the engine to "reboot" the whole darn thing.

      But still overall, am a happy Monty owner (accepting the good and the bad =)!)
  • dtkiko Oct 21 2011 @ 09:28pm
    For the information of everybody (this also goes to Ka******):

    The 3.0-litre Fortuner/Hilux D4-D had long been equipped with a variable-geometry turbo (VGT). The 1KD-FTV engine that is to be clear, the very same engine that is also plugged into the Toyota Prado. The Prado's 1KD-FTV engine is just a bit tweaked out (probably more boost pressure than the current Hilux or better exhaust set-up) that's why it is rated 172 ps with 420 Nm torque from 1600 rpm to 2800 rpm. Comparatively, the 3.0-litre Hilux and Fortuner D4-D are less tweaked (perhaps, with a relatively lower pressure boost compared to the Prado, or lesser set-up exhaust configuration), it makes 163 ps with 343 Nm torque distributed very broadly from 1400 rpm all the way to 3200 rpm.

    The Fortuner/Hilux VNT emblem that you may be seeing now is just a marketing ploy, not that the 3.0-litre D4-D has not had it since.... Yes, it came too late that some may think why only now that Toyota has come up with such emblem, but the truth it since 2001 (yes, that is year 2001) the 1KD-FTV is already equipped with a VGT or VNT. In fact, both TOYOTA and ISUZU 3.0-litre diesel engines were already VGT- or VNT-equipped since 2001. Isuzu just exports these better engines to the Euros, namely Saab of Sweden, Renault of France and Opel of Germany. Moreover, Isuzu was also the ORIGINATOR of the world's first all-aluminum diecast block CRDi diesel with VGT engine. This is now the norm at present adopted by all car manufacturers in the diesel segment.

    The first CRDi diesels to set foot in the Philippines were also Isuzu's ---- the Trooper, since 2000. Even the problematic 4JX1 Trooper was also a diesel CRDi. Came second amongst the CRDi's brought in here were Toyota (2005 Fortuner where the 3.0-litre was already VNT-equipped even back then) and Hyundai (Santa Fe and Tucson). However, when it comes to Isuzu Motors, in the Philippine-theatre, the ones being offered here are just CRDi diesels without VGT's. Isuzu Phils only offers the CRDi with the wastegate-type turbocharger engines, unlike all the others selling here locally (Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda), their diesels are all now VGT-equipped.

    Now just in 2011 (10 years after Isuzu and Toyota have pioneered adapting the VNT/VGT technology in diesel tech), it is really truly funny when Mitsubishi brought the 4D56 engine here in Philippines na sinalpakan lang ng VGT, i was really amazed at how much marketing brouhaha Mitsu made in announcing that they are variable-geometry equipped. The media mileage, parade, and marketing gimmikry that Mitsu ployed was just too egoistic and so high-profile that they even sported a huge emblem "Variable-Geometry Turbo" as if Mitsubishi was the one that invented the VGT technology haha!!!!

    Ang yabang pa ---- Mitsu even announced head-on that they are bringing-in the 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT to compete against the king-of-road speed amongst the SUV/CUV, the Hyundai Santa Fe R-eVGT haha!!!!!

    Now, with so much marketing ploy on the part of Mitsu, when the dust settled it is still so clear that the vaunted best of Mitsubishi, the so high noteworthy earth-shaking 174 ps is still no match against Fe's humbly-presented 197 ps and 435 Nm torque distributed from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm hehehehe.... Wala talagang binatbat kahit ano pa gawin ni Monty against the Santa Fe. Lalo pa ngaun na may lalabas na bagong Santa Fe between 2012 to 2013 hehe....

    One Mitsu fanatic guy here, Ka******, is even lecturing not to compare the Monterosport against the Santa Fe haha!!!! ---- Well sir, tell this directly to your beloved Mitsubishi why in the first place during your Mitsu's "feeling the spotlight" high-profile publicity ang lalakas ng loob ninyo to declare head-on that your 4D56 engine na nagka-VGT lang will take on the Santa Fe R-eVGT.... Tapos ngaun, pa-ayaw ayaw ka na hehe....

    Hirap kasi sa inyong mga Mitsubishi boys gusto ninyo kayo lang pogi palagi eh, dapat lahat tayo pogi....
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:16pm
      hehehehe............... if you mean na dapat lahat ng kotse dapat mabenta d lng mitsu monty, that's fine. wla nmn akong sinasabing dapat montero lng ang bumebenta eh..........
    • Adrian Oct 28 2011 @ 04:53pm
      nagpapasikat kc yan mitsu na yan! hanggang pilipinas lng naman?! mas malakas pa rin ang fortuner.
    • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:36pm
      Bobo ka ba? Parang hindi mo alam na ginamit ng Hyundai ang 4D56 engine para magawa nila yung bagong CRDi noong panahon na yun at wag ka mayabang. Para ka lng babae na umiiyak dahil ayaw mo ang Mitsubishi.
  • dranskeey Oct 21 2011 @ 09:36pm
    siguro natatawa nalang mitsu at mga owners ng monti kasi kahit anong lait eh mabenta pa din...
  • jerrikson Oct 21 2011 @ 09:58pm
    Hehe.... Tama ka, sa Pilipinas lang mabenta.

    Kaya nga ang Mitsu pang-noypi lang talaga at ang TOYOTA pang Wolrd-Class talaga, kaya nga No. 1 ang ATOYOT sa buong mundo mapa car maufacturer at mapa-product quality at consumers trust palahing No. 1 si ATOYOT at No. 4 ang HYUNDAI naman bilang car manufacturer at No. 61 na trusted company sa buong mundo.... at neverheard naman ang Mitsubishi kahit sa alin man na aspetong yang hehe....

    Hindi panlalait yan ah sir ah, pawang katotohanan po yan....
  • dranskeey Oct 21 2011 @ 10:47pm
    curious lang...worlds # 1 ang toyota eh bakit yung engine specs ng bagong fort at hilux ay parang di pang world class? di kaya tayong noypits naman ang nilalait nila dahil alam nila na may bibili kahit anong ibenta nila?

    peace...
  • jmac1993 Oct 22 2011 @ 02:09am
    ahh.. grabe ang debate sa mga comments ah... :D

    hinay-hinay lang.. ahaha..
  • yokam888 Oct 22 2011 @ 02:57am
    lol nalang sa mga nag nag co-compare sa monty vs the sta fe... its like comparing a ufc fighter (monty) to a wwe wrestler (sta fe)... ang sta fe softroader na pinapalabas nila as an off-roader... its 4x4 is nothing more than to improve its road handling capabilities, not really literally going off-road... off-road poser lang kumbaga. i bet my 1 peso coin that the suzuki jimny can even beat the k-pop sta fe on the mountains (that is if the sta fe can even go uphill on an unpaved/uncemented/unasphalted road)
  • GotToRead Oct 22 2011 @ 08:00am
    Hindi lahat nadadaan sa papers at statistics drive one you'll know the difference haha :D
  • dtkiko Oct 22 2011 @ 08:58am
    yokam888:

    Unang-una, you seem to have the audacity talking about climbing mountains and offroading when in fact you don't even ride offroad, let alone dirt bikes.... hehehehe.... Kung offroading lang naman pag-uusapan, wala binatbat mga 2.5-litre na tulad ng Montysport kahit GT-V pa yan compared to any 3.0-litre like the 1KD-FTV Fortuner D4-D. Mas useable pa ang suspension sa hardcore offroading ang Forty kaysa Monty.... Baka hindi mo alam pare koy may Montysport kami hehe, at pruso pala yabang lang sa papel ang Montysport ninyo after owning one hehe....

    Sa 15 years ko ng kakagamit ng mga pickups at SUVs sa trabajo sa mga bundok pare koy, wala binatbat yang Montysport mo sa offroad kahit itapat mo lang sa 1993 model 3.0-litre Toyota Prado na 1KZ-TE pa ang makina.... Kaya huwag ka mag-mayabang di mo alam sinsabi mo haha!!!!

    Gaya ng sinabi ko at uulit-ulitin, kayo mismong mga taga-Mitsubishi ang humahamon sa Santa Fe R eVGT noong nagka-VGT lang Montysport ninyo na animo'y ang galing, eh wala naman palang binatbat kundi angas lang hehe.... At kayo namang mga nagkukumahog na fanatico ng Mitsu, nagsisipaniwala kaagad haha!!!! Uulitin ko, basa.... hehe

    "Ang yabang pa ---- Mitsu even announced head-on that they are bringing-in the 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT to compete against the king-of-road speed amongst the SUV/CUV, the Hyundai Santa Fe R-eVGT haha!!!!!

    Now, with so much marketing ploy on the part of Mitsu, when the dust settled it is still so clear that the vaunted best of Mitsubishi, the so high noteworthy earth-shaking 174 ps is still no match against Fe's humbly-presented 197 ps and 435 Nm torque distributed from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm hehehehe.... Wala talagang binatbat kahit ano pa gawin ni Monty against the Santa Fe. Lalo pa ngaun na may lalabas na bagong Santa Fe between 2012 to 2013 hehe....

    One Mitsu fanatic guy here, Ka******, is even lecturing not to compare the Monterosport against the Santa Fe haha!!!! ---- Well sir, tell this directly to your beloved Mitsubishi why in the first place during your Mitsu's "feeling the spotlight" high-profile publicity ang lalakas ng loob ninyo to declare head-on that your 4D56 engine na nagka-VGT lang will take on the Santa Fe R-eVGT.... Tapos ngaun, pa-ayaw ayaw ka na hehe....

    HIRAP KASI SA INYONG MGA MITSUBISHI BOYS GUSTO NINYO KAYO LANG PALAGI POGI EH, DAPAT LAHAT TAYO POGI.... "
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:19pm
      alam mo dtkiko, minsan tinatamad na akong magbasa ng comments mo, ang hahaba eh, wla na akong pake minsan sa mga comments mo kahit panira sa mitsu kasi halata nmn na mitsu-hater ka, ikaw ung tipo ng taong galit sa mitsubishi at sa mitsufans(like me) kaya bahala ka na kung anong gusto mong ibato sa mitsu.
      • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:38pm
        May sariling mundo yan dre. Wag mo nang papansinin hehe!
    • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:38pm
      Bakla kang hayop ka. Umiiyak ka lng dahil ayaw mo sasakyan ng Mitsubishi.
  • ennovy70 Oct 22 2011 @ 09:09am
    agree toyota is better than mitsubishi
  • macpro Oct 22 2011 @ 10:12am
    I think it is not proper to combine the strong points of two vehicles and compare it with one vehicle. I agee that santa fe is faster and I also agree that fortuner is better off road but these are two cars. There is no car by the name santa fort. If we were to follow this kind of logic, we can also say that the montero is the better choice because it has better off road capability than the santa fe and has a better ride than the fortuner. However, it just does not make sense comparing cars that way. Each car has its own strong points, depende nalang sa buyer kung ano ang priority nya.
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 22 2011 @ 10:13am
    Now now guys, let's not fight in this forum.

    what dtkiko said is true in that Mitsu Phils is pitting the Monty against the Sta Fe. They are the ones pitting their SUV against a CUV.

    Admittedly, we know this shouldn't be the case but majority in the Phils consider a CUV or SUV as under one and the same category.

    And we must also note that eventhough the Sta Fe may be called a CUV but it can pull its own weight in offroading. There was actually this one show in Discovery Channel/History Channel where the host tried to pit his Sta Fe against a full blown planet exploration vehicle for astronauts. The host however only had a 4x2 so he was not able to climb the last hill. Yet he did the other obstacles pretty ok and fast at that.

    For me personally, the Montero falls short especially in its top of the line segment, especially against all of its competition. For the 4x2 AT models, it gives me more bang for the buck I believe. =)

    Just my two cents. Cheers everyone! =)
  • Jetwash Oct 22 2011 @ 10:47am
    Yung KIA Carens kayang habulin ang Montero. Kamot ulo nga mga Subaru fans dito ng makita nila ang race chip equipped Carens!
  • gundam Oct 22 2011 @ 12:08pm
    dtkiko. curious lang ako kung if you have any info kung kailan mag kick in ang turbo ng SF e-vgt, MS vgt, FortV. Since birth of fortuner VNT, the V emblem is already there maybe to indicate vnt [sila alng may alam]. eh ginaya lang ng Monty yan. Ngayon, walang kahit anong part ng monty ang may label na vgt. Ang vgt emblem pang hyundai yan.
    • 17Sphynx17 Oct 22 2011 @ 12:14pm
      Actually sir, the V model for Toyota exists in other models, specifically the altis. I know the V emblem signifies their top of the line range. Previously, they only stopped at G (E,J then G being the highest) then later, they added the V model lineup.

      As for the turbos, as I understand it, it should kick in in whatever rpm right? That is why all of them are variable turbos. It's just a matter of wide open the throttle/rpm is and it relates to how much the turbos are open. =)

  • yokam888 Oct 22 2011 @ 02:41pm
    lol again at those who compared the monty to the fortuner when it comes to off-roading capabilities but then suddenly they switched the comparo to the k-pop sta. fe for its asphalt speed. ano yan fortuner nag transform into sta. fe? it goes to show that the monty is that good of a vehicle that some self-proclaiming know-it-all tries to put it down by comparing its offroading capability to one vehicle and then compare its speed and power to a different kind of automobile. kung ganyan nalang ang usapan eh di tag team nalang ang monty at impreza wrx, mas magaling sa akyatan ang monty vs. the sta fe, and mas mabilis ang impreza sa paved roads... uso kasi ang transformers kaya ang iba may false illussions. lol again.

    bato bato sa langit ang tamaan, mayroong maraming kotse sa internet.
  • robin_micmac Oct 22 2011 @ 03:36pm
    not defending mitsubishi but i just dont agree that it isnt a world class car company..if you come over to the UK and observe the roads and you can see a lot of Mitsubishi Warrior pickups (Strada) and Shoguns ( Pajero). Maybe the Montero Sport is not as good as the Santa Fe or the Fortuner as being pointed out by some in here but I guess its all up to the buyers which one they want to buy and there is no point of saying Mitsubishi is not worldclass unless you really know all those figures that you were quoting..they may not be up there in the top car manufacturers but they play a very significant role in the parts supply chain..you never know, your car maybe running using Mitsubishi made components..even premium car brands use them in their cars.. i just find it entertaining that most of the comparisons here is like a child playing a trump card game! cheers mga kapatid! chill lang!
    • maranello_5775 Oct 22 2011 @ 10:54pm
      true... I hate the way some people bash others personally, usapang kotse po na nauuwi sa pagiging personalan tsktsk
  • meljeffrey_delacruz Oct 22 2011 @ 03:55pm
    mga bro....i think only monty have sportronic mode / paddle shifter, cruise control and ventilated rear disc brakes sa category nya...fortuner, everest n alterra ay wala nito....for me this is enough to win over the fortuner which is the closest rival ng monty... but my issue to both fort n monty is masikip masyado ang 3rd row seat and wala pa sila noon both sportronic mode kaya i end up buying Mitsu Grandis na meron sportronic mode and maluwag sa 3rd row. I would love the diesel sana pero no better choice at that time
  • dtkiko Oct 22 2011 @ 04:07pm
    yokam888:

    Haha!!!! Sabi ko na nga ba eh ---- kulang ka talaga sa analysis, wala ka talaga alam (hindi ka rin nago-ofroad yet napakayabang mo hehe).... No wonder you are buying Mitsu's na pang-noypi lang talaga at hindi world class.

    Hijo, ganito yan ---- masdan mo ang torque curve ng Montysport GT-V mo kahit yung manual variant pa yan. Saan mo nakikita ang peak torque niyan???? Nasa 2000 rpm lang yan uupak tapos along the rev-range deep-nose dive na ang torque kahawig na kahawig ng 2.5-litre Navara na nasa 2000 rpm din lang ang peak torque.... Napaka-narrow ng powerband ng GT-V mo hijo para ipagmalaki yan mo yan sa ano mang akyatan, mapa-paved roads yan o rough roads....

    Ngaun hijo, masdan mo ang Santa Fe ---- huwag na natin pag-usapan ang horsepower kahit kahit ano pang Mitsu publicity yan na hindi naman talaga pang-world class hehe.... It's mute and academic that your GT-V's peak hp happens only at a wringing neck rpm of 4000 rpm (and it's only a measly 178 metric-hp), against the Santa Fe R-eVGT's rev of only 3800 rpm but producing 197 metric-hp. Moreover, the peak torque of the Fe starts at a lower rev range of 1800 rpm and extends all the way to 2500 rpm that gives anyone a 700-rpm window wide of 435 Nm on tap.... This means within that rev-range of 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm, even when you ease your accelerator pedal, you are GUARANTEED of the peak pulling force that the engine produces. The manual-version Fe's peak torque is rated at 421 Nm and is distributed widely.... We don't have this model but they have this in Australia.

    Do you at all understand what narrow powerband means like that of your pa GT-V GT-V pa kayo kuno eh at 2000 rpm lang pala ang peak torque ninyo? Hehe.... The Santa Fe, by far, has better useable torque across the rev-range and is more powerful (hindi na pinagiisipan ito ng magdamagan hehe) in hill climbs and any pulling power than your publicity-hungry pang-noypi lang na Monty GT-V hehe....

    Sa 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner D4-D nalang mapapahiya lalo yang narrow-torque band mong GT-V.... 343 Nm from 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm hehe.... Ibig sabihin niyan que nasa 1400 rpm ka lang o nasa plus 3000 rpm ka nakahit i-relax mo pa ang fuel pedal ng Forty 3.0 D4-D punong-puno pa rin ng 343 Nm yan.... Naiintindihan mo na hijo, or hindi pa rin? Hehe....

    Gaya nga ng sinabi ko at uulit-ulitin:

    HIRAP KASI SA INYONG MGA MITSUBISHI BOYS GUSTO NIYO KAYO LANG PALAGING POGI EH.... DAPAT LAHAT TAYO POGI....
    • maranello_5775 Oct 22 2011 @ 10:56pm
      sir nice insights pero wag naman sana personalin yung ibang nagcocomment
  • yokam888 Oct 22 2011 @ 05:36pm
    lol again and again at the k-pop fanatic... ikaw ata di nakakaintindi ng off-roading eh. wag kasi puro google at wiki lang ang i-copy paste eh hehe... di ka lang puro basa, dapat may actual experience ka talaga sa pag mamaneho.... yung kaha ng sta. fe mag ti-twist na yan pag pinadaan mo sa totoong bundok (ang bundok meaning mountain yung may malalaking bato, putik, gravel atbp. baka naman kasi ang bundok ko eh iba sa pagkakaintindi mo as bundok, yung kalsada papuntang baguio hindi yun bundok ha). kung di ka pa naka drive ng real off-roader or (naka experience) try mo manood nalang sa sidelines ng mga off-road competitions. tingnan mo kung ano meron ang mga off-roaders na wala sa pinapangarap mong k-pop, off-road poser na sta. fe. lol...
  • yokam888 Oct 22 2011 @ 06:01pm
    how did crossovers came about? some marketing genius at some automobile factory is trying to find out how to sell more station wagons, his/her solution? raise the car, put some bigger wheels and call it a CUV, moms and housewives instantly bought the idea, thinking that they are driving a real SUV. the reason? why drive a clunky, uncomfortable real SUV when you can drive a CUV with the height and bulk of an SUV and the comforts of a sedan.

    so yan... ang crossover vehicle ay basically isang sedan with a taller ride height and bigger wheels... sa mga mahihilig mag wiki, paki confirm nga haha
  • dranskeey Oct 23 2011 @ 02:07am
    ah tama talaga mga matatanda...ang punong maraming bunga ang syang binabato...peace...
  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 12:01pm
    yokam888:

    Hindi ko na kailangan ipaliwanag sayo ang mga daily offroading naming sa sites dahil sadyang naintindihan ko labis ang pagmamahal mo sa iyong Mitsubishi…. Narinig mo na man siguro ang trabajong mineral exploration at open-pit/underground mining o hindi pa? Pangkaraniwan lang mga 4x4 pickups (mapa- Hilux, DMax, Triton or Strada, Navara, Ranger) at SUV's (Landcruiser Prado, Fortuner, Pajerosport or Monterosport, Trooper) diyan sa mga lugar nay an namalalayo sa ciudad at ang locasyon ay sadyang mga bulubundukin. Wala ding naka-kurbata dito na di gaya sa cuidad hijo…. 15 years na akong nagmamanejo ng mga 4x4’s sa mga bundok mapa-Pilipinas man o ibang bansa pa…. Sa tuwing bakasyon sa atin sa Pinas, nagdi-dirtbike ako (hindi motocross ah dahil hindi naman tayo kumakarera sa racetrack, kundi enduro at trails na umaakyat sa mga ibat’t-ibang bundok ng Rizal, Tarlac, Pinatubo, Zambales, Bulacan). Kalimitan, madami kaming dirtbikes kada mag-trails. Bulod ditto, hindi lang itong TopGear forum ina-attend natin Yokam888 sa totoo lang….

    Kaya huwag mong ipamukha ang offroad o ano man tahakin o akyatan sa mga SUV’s o CUV’s pa man yan.... DAHIL SA TOTOO LANG, yang mga inaakyat ng mga 4x4’s na yan mapa-SUV o CUV o pickups pa yan whether on-road or offroad pa, maging yang pinaka-mamahal mong Monterosport, sisiw lang mga yan sa inaakyat ng mga dirtbikes…. Kung enduro-trail rider ka, alam na alam mo yang pagkakaiba, ngaun kung hindi naman, naintindihan ko na bakit mukhang manghang-mangha ka sa level ng 4x4 offroading….

    Bottom line diyan sa totoo din lang, KAYO mismong taga-Mitsubishi ang HUMAHAMON sa Santa Fe R-eVGT noon pa man bago pa ilabas ang 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT. Grabe pa announcement ninyo at high-profile publicity sa buong Pilipinas ang pinakita ng Mitsubishi tungkol sa VGT na animo’y kayo ang nag-imbento nito hehe…. Lingid sa kaalaman ng marami, matagal ng may VGT ang Toyota 3.0 D4-D, ang Hyundai Santa Fe at ang Nissan Navara…. Hindi kayo ang nauna ditto, kundi maingay lang kayo para bumenta…. Mabuti nalang hanggang Pilipinas lang malakas ang Monterosport at hindi pinapansin sa ibang bansa maging Pajerosport pa tawag ditto…. Sadyang malakas pa rin ang Fortuner at Santa Fe kaysa sa Monetrosport o Pajerosport kasi mas may tiwala ang mga taong nakakaintinding bumili ng produkto

    Ngaun dahil sa yabang ng Mitsubishi sa PAGHAMON sa Santa Fe R-eVGT, sa kabila pala nito WALA naman palang BINATBAT yang GT-V na yan sa Fe na sadyang walang kayabang-yabang hehe.... Tapos ngaun kapag rine-refer back ang argument na inumpisahan ng Mitsubishi pa-ayaw ayaw naman kayo dahil kitang-kita na mas malakas ng di hamak at mas maganda ng di mahak ang Santa Fe…. Ang dami niyo pang dahilan na kesyo SUV ang isa at CUV ang isa haha!

    Kahit nga pamangkin ko na 5-years old lang naintindihan na ang 197 hp (Santa Fe) is GREATER than 174 hp (Monty GT-V) at 435 Nm (Santa Fe) is GREATER than 350 Nm (Monty GT-V) hehe.... Kayo lang yata na Mitsubishi boys nag-bubulagbulagan sa katotohanan eh hehe.... Besides, you have NEVER been honest sa mga taong nagtatanong sa inyo and you all capitalise on their ignorance tsk tsk tsk....

    Mabuti nalang, madaming tao dito sa mundo na mas nakakaintindi kaya nga UNRECOGNISED sa Top 100 best quality products ang Mitsubishi eh, at UNRECOGNISED pati sa Top 10 largest car manufacturers in the world hehe.... Sa HUMBLE na Suzuki Motors nga pagdating sa quality awards at Top 10 largest car manufacturer ranking taob-na-taob ang Mitsubishi hehe…. Ang TOYOTA Motors Numero 1 kahit saan at No. 4 naman ang HYUNDAI sa buong mundo tinalo pa ang Ford Motors, Nissan atbp sa ranking.

    HETO PA at dadagdag ko na rin para sa iyo pare koy ---- labis ang tuwa ko na SADYANG UNRECOGNISED ang Mitsubishi sa Top 100 best quality and most trusted products in the world at sa Top 10 largest car manufacturers in the world…. Kumbaga NEVERHEARD ANG Mitsubishi ----
    ---- Kung nagkataon pala na kahit nasa 100th place lang kayo sa product and trust quality, malamang NAGSI-PARADA’T SAYAWAN na kayo sa kalsada hahahaha!!!!
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:22pm
      ikaw happy, ako hinde!!! ehem correction! 176hp ang monty hnd 174, you're telling lies.........
    • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 06:38pm
      Kyoicho Sudo:

      Sa inyo na sir yang plus 2 hp kahit ano pa yan sir, BITIN pa rin naman sa 197 hp ng Santa Fe R-eVGT hehe....
      Nagsasama-sama na kayo ditong mga Mitsu boys pero hindi pa rin nadadagdagan ang power ng Monterosport ninyo at inis-na-inis kayo tuwing ikumpara ito sa Santa Fe R eVGT na samantala ang pinakamamahal ninyong Mitsubishi ang nagpa-simula nito na tatapatin daw ang Santa Fe hehe....

      By the way sir, 174 hp refers to 174 brake-hp, technically-speaking.... Totoo ang sinasabi ko sir.... At huwag magalit sa totoo, kailangan kasi lubayan na ninyo ang hindi pagsasabi ng totoo sir....
  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 12:17pm
    Si Mr. 17Sphynx17 lang ang kilala dito na Mitsubishi patron pero NAGSASABI NG TOTOO....

    KUDOS sa inyo sir for being honest ----


    "17Sphynx17

    Now now guys, let's not fight in this forum.

    what dtkiko said is true in that Mitsu Phils is pitting the Monty against the Sta Fe. They are the ones pitting their SUV against a CUV.

    Admittedly, we know this shouldn't be the case but majority in the Phils consider a CUV or SUV as under one and the same category.

    And we must also note that eventhough the Sta Fe may be called a CUV but it can pull its own weight in offroading. There was actually this one show in Discovery Channel/History Channel where the host tried to pit his Sta Fe against a full blown planet exploration vehicle for astronauts. The host however only had a 4x2 so he was not able to climb the last hill. Yet he did the other obstacles pretty ok and fast at that.

    For me personally, the Montero falls short especially in its top of the line segment, especially against all of its competition. For the 4x2 AT models, it gives me more bang for the buck I believe. =)

    Just my two cents. Cheers everyone! =) "
    • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 06:32pm
      Tandang Sora:

      Kung PAGMUMURA ang nakakapag-patulog sa iyo ng mahimbing sa gabi, tuloy niyo lang po....

      At anong mang-gamit ng ibang account ng ibang tao? ---- si 17Sphynx17 tinutukoy ninyo? Matagal na pong miembro si Mr. Sphynx at tignan niyo po sa pahina 2 andun yang post niya sir na ganyang-ganyan ang pagkasabi bago ka magsisimura sir....
      • dominic Nov 03 2011 @ 01:42am
        hahaha yaan nyo na yan sir dtkiko
  • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 05:23pm
    good job mitsu, d talaga ako nagsisi sa pagiging mitsufan...........
  • robin_micmac Oct 23 2011 @ 06:06pm
    i will place an order for a Montero Sport GTV. VGT or not I just like the 4D56 engine as it served me well for a long time..i still remember back in the day when they just pumped out 70hp and they did their job as intended. I dont know how much hp it makes these days but i'm not bothered for im sure it will be more than adequate for my needs..i dont intend on entering it to a race. lets face it..how often do you operate your engine at its peak output levels?
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 06:12pm
      good choice but if you want, you can wait the 400N-m torqued GLS-V 4X4, its worth a wait
      • robin_micmac Oct 23 2011 @ 06:22pm
        thanks for the headsup! i might do.. that sounds really good..but honestly whatever output they got thats alright ght with me
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  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 06:30pm
    Tandang Sora:

    Kung PAGMUMURA ang nakakapag-patulog sa iyo ng mahimbing sa gabi, tuloy niyo lang po....

    At anong mang-gamit ng ibang account ng ibang tao? ---- si 17Sphynx17 tinutukoy ninyo? Matagal na pong miembro si Mr. Sphynx at tignan niyo po sa pahina 2 andun yang post niya sir na ganyang-ganyan ang pagkasabi bago ka magsisimura sir....
  • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 06:35pm
    tandang sora ang lulutong ah..................... wag ka na magalit kay dtkiko, ganyan lng talaga yan. tingnan mo ako, sinisiraan nya ang mitsubishi nang d nya naiisip na nakikita ko ung mga comments nya (big mitsufan here!) pero d ko na sya pinapatulan, baka kasi ako pa ang magmukhang guilty......................
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 06:41pm
    @Tandang Sora

    Hindi ko po naiintindihan sinasabi ninyo kay dtkiko. Hindi naman po siya naghahanap ng away.

    Ako pa ay hiway kay dtkiko. Kung mahahanap niyo pa yung isa sa mga montero reviews dito sa topgear ay makikita ninyo malinaw na may discussion kami (nawa'y wag po sanang isipin na kami'y nagtatalo dun).

    Sa akin lang naman e nagsasabi ng facts si mr dtkiko. Usapan ng hp at torque, totoo po ba? Tama naman. Wala naman akong nakikita na mali dun.

    At kung mahahanap ninyo mga post ko dito hindi ko sinasabi na wag niyo bibilhin ang montero, sinasabi ko lang ho na pakiramdam ko (in my opinion) ay may pagkukulang ang "specs" ng montero lalo na pagtinapat ang top of the line variant niya sa top of the line ng kanyang kalaban.

    Uulitin ko na lang po sa tagalog yung pagtatapos ko sa aking mga dating mga post:

    "para sa akin, ang montero ay sulit sa 4x2 AT model niya (bang for buck) kumpara sa competition"

    "para po sa akin, ang montero po ay naisasagot na ang aking pangangailangan kaya po namin ito binili nung panaho'y kami'y naghahanap ng SUV"

    Sa totoo nga po, ninanais ko nga na ito sana yung build na nakuha namin kasi 5AT ito at hindi 4AT, at mas maayos yung aircon config.

    Pero uulitin ko po ulit, MASAYA PO AKO NA MAY MONTERO 4x2 4-speed AT ANG AMING PAMILYA at TANGGAP PO NAMIN ANG MGA KATANGIAN NITO (mapabuti man o mapasama).

    Kaya sa susunud po Tandang Sora sana po'y wag kayo maghanap ng away dito sa forum. Kung paminsan po isipin niyo din na andito naman po tayo para magusap ng maayos at magbigay ng ating mga nalalaman sa mga bagay bagay at magtulungan hangga't sa ating makakaya.

    P.S. Alam naman po ng lahat na hindi ka ganun katanda kaya pwede po sana, kung pwede po, itigil niyo na po yung pagpapahayag na parang hindi kayo lumaki sa panahong kasalukuyan. Medyo hindi ko po malaman kung anu po ba talaga pakay nila sa mga pahayag nila. (Parang naghahanap lang kayo ng away para sa katuwaan ninyo)
    • dominic Nov 03 2011 @ 01:46am
      tama ka sir... sinasabi nya na isip bata si sir dtkiko eh sya nga isip bata,,, feeling tandang sora... pero ok lang naiintindihan ko pagnanais nya maging tandang sora
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 06:48pm
    @ Tandang Sora

    Nalimutan ko din sabihin. Alam ko na luma na ang 4d56 na makina ng Montero at ito ang dating ginamit sa L200 Strada nung nakaraan. Pero isa din po yun sa rason kaya namin binili yung Montero. Nilagyan lang ito ng turbo at inupdate ng konti para umabot sa kung anu man siya ngayon sa Montero at Strada.
    Para sa akin kahit luma ang style nung makina, matibay siya di hamak. Nakagamit na ako ng lumang L200 strada at para sa akin ay mainam na itong makina at matibay para sa aking inaasahan para kotse na aking dinadala kaya hindi ako nagdalawang isip.

    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 07:37pm
      wow you own a Montero? great choice! i agree w/ you, unlike buying vehicles w/ new engines, like the santa fe
      • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 07:41pm
        Yup, we do sir. Had it since late Feb 2011 and pretty happy with it. Already clocked in around 10500kms. I use it almost as a daily driver but I also use it for my out of town trips to wherever as long as there are roads. =)
        • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 08:02pm
          actually, this news about the 2012 Montero helped us in considering buying a Suv this 2012, my dad is already thinking what variant to buy, either the GLS-V 4WD or the 2WD version, i just hope its price is below P1,600,000
          • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 08:11pm
            Wow. That's good to hear. Hope it is easier to reach a higher FC with 5AT compared to the 4AT on an average basis. I usually get 8-9km/l in city driving (bumper to bumper reduces it to as low as 7km/l) on highway, the highest I got was 12km/l. Haven't been able to get the 13km/l yet. Hope I do reach it in one of my out of town trips though. =)

            Good luck sir in your purchase. Oh and a note, the 400N-m torque is only for the MT variants. All AT variants still get the 350N-m torque as far as I know. A transmission thing if I recall correctly that was published before. (As far as I know - you guys may correct me if I am wrong =] )

            Also I recall the manual of Montero and Sta Fe both state that they can tread/cross water as high as 500mm or half a meter. I'm not sure what it is for the Fortuner though because I recall one of the beefs with the original fortuner was that one of its computer boxes was located directly below/underneath the driver seat and not under the dash (Which is a higher elevation). I don't know if and when they corrected it at all because I haven't read anything about a change regarding it. Something to keep in mind I guess when flood wading capabilities are part of the criteria of purchase. =)

            Good luck sir.
  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 06:51pm
    Kyoichi Sudo:

    Referring to your recent post sir:
    "ikaw happy, ako hinde!!! ehem correction! 176hp ang monty hnd 174, you're telling lies........."

    Heto po reply ko sir:

    Sa inyo na sir yung plus 2 hp na correction sir, KULANG pa rin naman sa 197 hp ng Hyundai Santa Fe R-eVGT hehe....

    Given na rin yang nagsasama-sama kayo dito sa topic na ito kayong mga Mitsubishi boys NGUNIT KAHIT pa man, hindi pa rin nadadagdagan ang power ng Monterosport ninyo at inis-na-inis kayo tuwing ikumpara ito sa Santa Fe R-eVGT na samantala ang pinakamamahal ninyong Mitsubishi motors ang nagpa-simula nito na pang-tapat daw sa Santa Fe hehe....

    HINDI naman hahamon ng ganyan ang Hyundai Santa Fe kung sa Monterosport lang mga sirs, NAGPAPAHABOL pa nga eh ng walang engine updates.... Kasi SURE-FOOTED sila at hindi nila kailangan mag-wagayway....

    By the way sir, 174 hp refers to 174 brake-hp, technically-speaking.... Totoo ang sinasabi ko sir.... At huwag sana magalit sa totoo mga Mitsu fans, kailangan kasi kahit PAMINSAN-MINSAN naman lubayan ninyo ang hindi pagsasabi ng totoo mga bosing, at huwag pagalit-galit at pamura-mura....
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 07:34pm
      mawalang galang sir

      Its your fault, if you just typed 174bhp, i would have understand and d nmn ako ang nagsimula ng comparo betwen the Monty and the Santa fe and one more thing, si tandang sora ang nagmumura sau, d ako, at puwede ba, basahin ung mga pangalan sa taas.

      May nakita ka bang comment ko sau:

      "hoy! p*t*ng *n* mo dtkiko WAG MO KAMING GAGUHIN SA PAGKA ISIP BATA MO. 5 account para lang makipagtalo! At aber hooy, hindi kami t*ng* para di malaman yun. Sa lahat, guys, sa tanda kong ito, di na ubra yang ka putahan ni dtkiko. hay. Mag mano ka sa kin dtkiko para mapatawad kita. Guys, wag nyo nang patulan tong apo kong lima ang pang ALTER EGO na account."

      wla d ba at wla akong pake kung ung santa fe mo sir eh napakalamang sa monty dahil kung tutuusin, d naman magkalaban ang dalawa. that's all
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 07:19pm
    Would just like to ask, CANT WE JUST BE OBJECTIVE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS INSTEAD OF EMOTIONAL?

    For example, "Montero beats Fortuner" statement. This for me should always be expanded. The Montero beats the Fortuner if its 2.5Di-D 4x2 model only. But if we go up to the higher tier then clearly we can see that the 3.0Di-D 4x4 model beats the 2.5VgT 4x4 of the Montero so the statement can be deemed incorrect/incomplete and would need to be expounded.

    Another, "Fortuner won't sell because of new Monty" Well, again a misconception. There are people who don't want diesels. As such they can opt for the Fortuner 2.7VVTi 4x2 and the Montero is immediately out of the question. And if you are opting for a top of the line model, then you will tend to lean more towards the Fortuner than the Montero (objectively speaking here). And you could also count the people who just really want a Toyota/Fortuner regardless of specs (it would all boil down to what model and price - a toyota fan boy if you could call it like that) And it goes both ways for Mitsubishi/Montero. Regardless of what people may say or what facts you may have/get you will still get it because you just want it (an emotional desire).

    Lastly, calling people "liars" or post as a "lie". I understand that you may want to say it but we can refrain can we not. We could just simply post a reply to it and state "Sir, I would like to refer to (source) that states that it is (fact) and not (erronous data/post). Thanks." without calling the person names as it is unintentional or that is the data the poster got. I for one have posted once the price of montero as 1.38m Php because that is how much we got ours. Others quickly jumped on the gun and said I was making it up because SRP was 1.408m php. I had to add into the post that it is the price we got ours with a 20k php discount. It's as simple as that.

    Hope we can just keep within the topic of the posts and stop extreme statements and/or flaming. It helps with the growth of the discussion/topic for not just me, but everyone I believe.

    Thanks guys.
    • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 07:45pm
      @17Sphynx17, i would'nt call dtkiko a liar if he stated "174bhp" instead of "174hp", of course the first word to come in your mind is the word "lie" or "liar" if you read his comment a while ago
      • 17Sphynx17 Oct 23 2011 @ 07:55pm
        Hi Sir. Just stating it as a general request. =) So that at least it will help avoid confrontational discussions (hopefully) in the future.

        I know dtkiko doesn't really like the Montero spec wise and I know where he is coming from. I do think though that we as fellow forum members should at least try to understand each other in a civil manner (again being non specific to anyone in particular but generalizing). We all come from different backgrounds and as such there is a tendency that we deliver our statements/words differently that the rest and it may be construed negatively or offensively by someone else. So I think we should just try to extract the relevant information that the poster(s) try to convey and respond to it if it needs a response in a civil and respectful manner. I know that we all try our best to help the community grow =)

        It might not be a "lively" discussion but it would be a civil and productive one. Just hope fellow members understand or at least try it out. =)

        Cheers to everyone! =)

        Oh and I just hope as much as possible that all posts relate or at least contribute something to the topic/discussion instead of just a cheer/rant/flame. (a personal request. =] )
        • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 07:58pm
          Tandang Sora surely needs to read your post, ang lutong magmura eh, d na nahiya
        • dominic Nov 03 2011 @ 01:50am
          well said... Post your reply...
  • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 23 2011 @ 07:42pm
    @Tandang Sora, imposibleng si Dtkiko si 17Sphynx17, eh pinupuri pa nya ang mitsu eh.............. unlike Dtkiko............
  • yokam888 Oct 23 2011 @ 08:09pm
    natawa na naman ako sa reply ni dt-k-pop... minero pala sya... bakit kaya walang gumagamit ng hyundai sta. fe sa mga mining sites? sya na mismo nag mention kung anong klaseng mga SUV/pickup ang ginagamit sa minahan... hmmm bakit kaya walang hyundai sta. fe?

    at isa pang nakakatawa... ikunumpara ba niya ang monty again to a motorcross/trailbike? di ko na kasi binasa ang kanyang buong SONA haha.

    ewan ko ba dito kay dt-k-pop... kung sanay sya sa pagmamaneho kuno ng mga real off-roaders, bat sya sobrang inlab sa poser na sta. fe.... nakabili ata to ng surplus na hyundai sta fe ah... tapos kesa pukpukin nya ulo nya dahil naloko sya (akala nya totoong SUV)... eh pinapalabas nalang nya na napakagaling at napakatalino ng desisyon nya. hehe
  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 09:15pm
    yokam888 and kyoichi sudo:

    To make all things to all of you mga highly-esteemed na Mitsu boys:

    Like i said, as a family, we also have Monterosport for all you know. And to be honest, the Montysport is not that impressive as being projected by Mitsubishi. The drivers even opined that it's like driving a "BIG Isuzu Crosswind" because it's not that really good as it's always been publicised and also because of its undeniably noisy engine. By the way, we also come from Isuzu background, mainly DMax's and Crosswind. There was also a Mitsubishi Adventure traded just so recently for the better Toyota Innova D4-D, during the Toyota Motors promo at the Tent in Taguig.

    i do not have a Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT personally but i am lucky enough to have driven this car a lot of times owned by my brother-in-law.... Frankly-speaking "LANGIT-at-LUPANG" lubhang maganda ang Santa Fe sa Monterosport na inyong malimit ipagmalaki (sa Pilipinas nga lang naman umuubra ang pagmamalaki at hindi na sa ibang bansa).... Heto ay pawang katotohanan.... Kaya kung mamarapatin lang na magkaroon man ng tsansa na makabili ng Santa Fe, itong bagong 2012 to 2013 model, ay sadyang bibili talaga tayo mga bosing....

    Yang Monterosport? Di kalaunan mate-trade off din ito gaya ng kapatid niyang Adventure.... at pawang katotohanan muli ito mga bosing....

    • maranello_5775 Oct 29 2011 @ 08:02pm
      sir kung di kayo impress why make the car stay for long in your hands???
      • dominic Nov 03 2011 @ 01:53am
        sa kamag anak nya po yun sir...
  • dranskeey Oct 23 2011 @ 09:21pm
    curious pa din...di kaya naka-payroll sa ibang brand yung mga hard critics ng mitsu/monti?
  • dtkiko Oct 23 2011 @ 09:35pm
    dranskeey:

    Ganito talaga sir sa public-forums, nagkaka-initan. May mga tao na madami sa grupo nagtutulungan, at minsan may iisa lang sa kabila naman na hindi umaatras naman basta nagsasabi ng totoo.... Pero nagkataon dito sa usapan na ito kahit iisa yung tao sa kabila ay alam ang sinasabi dahil meron din silang sasakyan na katulad ng mga maraming katunggali niya na nag-tutulungtulungan....

    Pero yari man ganyan, hanggang "INTRIGA-LEVEL" lang naman tayo sir, HINDI na tayo sumasali sa "AWAY-AWAY LEVEL"....
  • yokam888 Oct 23 2011 @ 10:41pm
    ito ang mahirap sa mga internet forums, blogs and sites... maraming sumasali na mayayaman kuno, andaming kunong kotse... pero ang tanging katotohanan, nakikihiram lang pala sa kanyang brother-in-law, maswerte lang sya at maganda yung kapatid nyang babae, nakapag asawa ng mayaman, kaya ayun, abot tenga ang ngiti ng pinahiram siya ng ******... ako hindi sa pagmamayabang, meron akong brand new bugatti veyron, pero gusto ko siya i-trade in sa kia haha. maniwala kayo o sa hindi, problema nyo na yun haha

    bato bato sa langit ang tamaan, kasing yaman ni ampatuan (pero sa internet lang). haha
  • 17Sphynx17 Oct 24 2011 @ 06:53am
    @yokam888

    I think sir there is nothing wrong with having used someone else's car to experience it and its features. It is just kind of like a test drive with a personal touch to it since you are close to the owner and have a repeat experience and not just one to get a better feel for the car.

    It is what we do right when discussing vehicles. We give opinions/feedback based on what we know or have experienced (this includes having used someone else's car).

    I think it is also unfair to call someone a pretender when the person has never claimed he owns all of the vehicles. It's clear who you are pertaining to so I'll just get right down to it.

    When he said he has experienced the boat load the vehicles (pickups like Triton, Hilux, D-Max and SUVs Montero, Pajero, Alterra etc) he stated and noted that it was from his work therefore it was already clear that they were company owned. I know a few posts in another topic he also stated that their acquisitions group did the studies or crunched the numbers if you will as to what would be more beneficial to the company and he even relayed what the company came up with/decided.

    As for ownership of the Korean vehicle, it was also stated in another topic that he doesn't own it but in fact owns the Montero. And he is also acquainted with someone who owns a Montero but felt shortchanged after he drove the Sta Fe.

    I believe it is fairly easy to comprehend that there are people who would decide on the same things for different reasons. There are also some who will contemplate even after purchase after experiencing something else or a counterpart. And there are also some who feel that a competition is better. It's a preference and opinion and we can't take that away from anyone just like you an me. I chose the Montero for a reason and maybe so did you but who's to say it was completely one and the same.

    We make decisions, we live by them with conviction or regret but we made them and can not change it. I believe what he is doing is making sure people buy the Montero for the right reasons and be happy with your purchase. Same goes if you buy a korean equivalent. It may have been stated differently but the meaning behind it is there isn't it? I just wish we look beyond taking offense in every single statement/line and that we just extract the relevant meaning from it to avoid these kinds of discussions in the future.

    So for a sample of how you do your comtemplating on what you chose here goes?

    Do you want a high
    • 17Sphynx17 Oct 24 2011 @ 06:58am
      * Do you want a high horsepower vehicle compared to regular sedan? How high do you really need it to be? If the montero feels inadequate to satisfy your requirement, you are free to explore the Fortuner and Sta Fe am I correct?
      * How important is the ride comfort for you? If it is of utmost importance then the Sta Fe would be the best choice. It's a coin toss for me between the Fortuner and Montero because seating wise, 8 people are more comfortable with the Fortuner against the Montero in a seated position, however, I feel that the Montero has somewhat a better suspension than the Fortuner. But that's my preference. Also I feel the Montero has an adequate suspension setup for my needs, don't need more than that.
      * Flood wading capabilities? You can see one of my previous post about this item. I can still stand corrected on those but it is what I know.

      So in closing, there is no harm in informing through our forums our knowledge base and informed decision making process. Just limit the flaming/ranting guys.

      Thanks.
  • dtkiko Oct 24 2011 @ 06:19pm
    yokam888:

    HAHAHAHA!!!! Ikaw talaga ang "Hari ng Sablay" pare koy.... Mag-iimbento nalang ng kuwento mali pa. You just PROVED my point that's why Mitsubishi boy ka eh hahahaha!

    Ang maganda ang sister ng brother-in-law ko, not the other way around hahahaha!!!!

    You may assume whatever scenario you may have in mind apart from the truth ---- what else is new anyway....

    Basta BOTTOM-LINE diyan, LANGIT-at-LUPA ang ganda ng Hyundai Santa Fe R eVGT (197 hp, 435 Nm torque) kumpara sa Monterosport 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT (174 hp, 350 Nm) at ginawan na ng high-profile publicity AS IF Mitsubishi was the real originator of the VGT technology kahit hindi hahahaha!!!!
    ....At HUWAG na HUWAG kang maka-subok ng Santa Fe R eVGT lalo na pag binirit mo, baka magsisi ka bakit Monterosport binili mo hahahaha!!!!

    Anyway pare koy, tuloy mo lang kalokohan mo ahihi! The floor is all yours....

    Maganda naman ang Monterosport eh, MAGANDANG-PAGTIAGAAN ahoho!!!!

    Cheers!

  • tgstig Oct 25 2011 @ 11:59am
    meh... makina lang ng mitsu adventure yan na sinalpakan ng vgt... ho ho ho ho
  • tgstig Oct 25 2011 @ 12:02pm
    pareho lang naman yang montero at fortuner, di mo na makita sa mga first world countries except sa santa fe ho ho ho ho
  • vansxtrme23 Oct 25 2011 @ 04:15pm
    puro kayabangan kayo mga critics, ingit lang kasi kayo walang article ang hyundai santa fe n'yo..kaya panay puna n'yo sa montero kasi ang lakas ng sales.kahit anong negative comments n'yo montero is still #1 SUV in the Phils. PEEEERRIIOOOOODDDD!!!
  • otto_meister Oct 26 2011 @ 11:26am
    Wow, this article has been filled lots of debates and talk about point-in point-out haters.

    Anyway, most of you may have proven that some models may have better engine power and torque versus the Montero Sport. I'd give you that.

    However, most of you may have really missed the real point on why the Mitsubishi models towers above them all in terms of its sales (and overall vehicle?) performance.

    Value for money.

    Yes, you read it right, value for money. What any other Mid-Size SUV lacks is its appeal for value for money proposition. Only the Fortuner came close, but not enough.

    The Montero Sport may not have the "awesome" performance figures that some models here that are being touted. But is it really needed in these roads? For what reason?

    Being a previous owner of a Fortuner 4WD AT and a current owner of a Montero Sport GLS SE 4WD AT, I found the latter's engine capability better for my needs. But do I need too much? I don't think so.

    My point is, the Montero Sport has it what it takes to match those who claim to have the best, but it doesn't end there.

    The Montero Sport also have features enough to satisfy my needs. When I bought mine, it was availed thru a promo with DVD / GPS navi package (same with the 2012).

    To be honest, when I saw the visual interface of the Sta.Fe's and even Tucson's stereo, it reminded me of the dot matrix era, the overall appeal was not that good as compared with the Montero Sport's. Even the feel of the interior is, well cheap for my appeal (specially the blue lighting!?).

    It had features like TPMS, GPS, Paddle Shifters (I wish mine had this), Sportronic, INVECS, Cruise Control (I also wish I had this) that most if none of its competitors doesn't have.

    It had the stance of an on- and off-roader without the jarring ride that the current Everest and Fortuner still has.

    To keep this short, The Montero Sport doesn't need to be have the mosts, the bests and the firsts to be the top seller.

    It's current pricing and packaging makes it attract lots (LOTS) of people to buy it, it's the most balanced of all of them and then some.

    Irregardless whether your ranting here will not stop or not.

    You dig? :-)

  • mgr366 Oct 26 2011 @ 03:20pm
    For me,
    Fortuner - No doubt, best looking SUV/CUV on price range of 1.5M /-
    Santa Fe - No doubt, best specifications for SUV/CUV on price range of 1.5 /-
    Montero Sport - No doubt, best value for money on price range of 1.5 /-

    If only there is a car that has the looks of the Fortuner, the specifications of Santa Fe and the price of Montero - I'd go for that one.

    I bought the Montero Sport because of value for money. I really like the looks of the Fortuner and its "reliability" tag of Toyota but underpowered and I really like the specifications and "tech-ness" of Santa Fe but its a bit low. Given a chance to own 3 SUV, i will surely add Fortuner and Santa Fe.

    I know that the specifications and the looks of the Montero is not the "best" in its category and price range, but its not a bad car either. I love it just the way it is.
  • dtkiko Oct 26 2011 @ 07:31pm
    Messrs. otto_meister and mrgr366:

    Sirs, i know how you love your Mitsubishi Monterosports ---- BUT PLEASE let's be honest even once-in-awhile among highly-estemeed selves and to others.

    Cost-wise, comparing the relatively underpowered Monterosport 4x4 GT-V (174 hp, 350 Nm) against the Santa Fe 4x4 R-eVGT (197 hp, 435 Nm), the two cost just about the same in the range of PhP1.70 M. AGAIN, they all cost almost just the same, including the 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner 4x4 D4-D

    Beisdes, the Mitsubishi comes with the old 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT, while the Santa Fe is a modern Generation 3 or 4 diesel engine that is already Euro 5 complaint, EVEN way back then when the Sante Fe was issued as eVGT series only.... The R symbol just came in 2010 to depict the new 6-speed transmission replacing the 5.

    Moreover, the Santa is well-way reputed when it comes to passenger safety against severe impacts ---- it is the HIGHEST rated car in the US and Europe (arguably around the world), gathering a perfect safety rating of "5" in the Euro NCAP safety ---- regarded as more stringent than the US car safety rating.

    Moreover again besides SAFETY, not only Botchi Santos of TG Phils. acknowledges it (let alone, that he in fact, RAVES about the Santa Fe), the Santa Fe is also regarded as the BEST amongst amongst the Philippine-midsize SUV/CUV when it comes to PERFORMANCE, namely in the aspects of:
    1. manoeuvring (high-speed straight-line and cornering);
    2. power;
    3. speed; and
    4. fuel-efficiency.

    JUDGING on this, and OBJECTIVELY, without too much inclination and attachment into one's bought item (well, i know how you feel as it pains you when you realise that the car you paid for to own and then rave about to friends is in fact not the best there is), it is the HYUNDAI Santa Fe R-eVGT that gives the best value for the money, not the Fortuner and not the Monterosport.

    Please also note sir that i do not personally own a Santa Fe, i have only driven them couple of times to know more than well the difference of a better car in the Fe, but we own a Monterosport.... Basically, we largely come from an Isuzu background with some Mitsubishi's and recently with Toyota....


    • robin_micmac Oct 27 2011 @ 10:51pm
      same lang na 1989 na 4D56 at yung turbo lang ang pinagkaiba? I beg to disagree. It doesnt mean that its using the same 4D56 block it means its the same old engine , and not going to be able to produce decent power and comply with emission standards. It is a totally different animal inside with new design components. I will wager you that the pistons wont be the same design as the ones they produced 10 years ago. The L200 currently being sold in Europe is definitely Euro 5 compliant otherwise they wont be allowed to sell it there. Maybe they still keep using the same block because its still adequate to meet their requirements to modernize the engine. But it doesnt mean that an old engine block cant meet your modern emissions standards as the block doesnt have to do anything with it. Engine emissions are affected by combustion chamber design,piston design, valve timing, cylinder head design and fuelling systems design. The block should just be able to cope up with the additional stresses it is being subjected to due the increase in output. If the block can cope with it then I dont see any reason why you should change it. You have no idea how much car companies spend in tooling up for new components thats why they would try as much as possible to use carryover parts due to the fact that its more economical with them and at the same time it is a tried and tested or shall i say validated component. Remember the Bentley 6.75L V8 engine? It already celebrated 50 years of production and yes they still use it. Its now pumping out 1100Nm of torque which is a far cry from the original engine 50 years ago but it can still cope up with it hence Bentley would want to keep it as much as they can. They are trying to develop a new V8 engine becuase they are targetting even crazier torque figures due to customer demands but at the moment the 6.75L V8 is still going strong..and yes it is Euro emissions compliant even after 50 years of production. I hope you see the reason behind old engine blocks. they are not as bad as you think they are.
  • dtkiko Oct 26 2011 @ 07:42pm
    Kyoichi Sudo:

    Sir, sinagot ko na question no po dito sa article na ito asking where's HYUNDAI motors in the lest of Top 100 most reliable and trusted brand in the world.
    http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/toyota-is-top-carmarker-in-global-brand-value-evaluation

    You'll see that the HYUNDAI is at Top 61 eclipsing some "supposed-to-be" more prominent car companies, BUT Mitsubishi is again nowhere to be found....
  • otto_meister Oct 26 2011 @ 09:21pm
    @mr. dtkiko:

    Sir, if I may since you have mentioned my name in one of your replies then I believe I'm obligued to reply as well.

    "Sirs, i know how you love your Mitsubishi Monterosports ---- BUT PLEASE let's be honest even once-in-awhile among highly-estemeed selves and to others."

    - Am I not being too honest for you? or any other? were your referring to me as a liar to begin with? top gear people, can you please at least regulate this person before somebody gets too annoyed.

    "Cost-wise, comparing the relatively underpowered Monterosport 4x4 GT-V (174 hp, 350 Nm) against the Santa Fe 4x4 R-eVGT (197 hp, 435 Nm), the two cost just about the same in the range of PhP1.70 M. AGAIN, they all cost almost just the same, including the 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner 4x4 D4-D"

    - Maybe you didn't read my post properly. As much as engine power is very important to you, to begin with, before I bought my GLS SE, I asked myself: do I really need too much power?

    My answer is a big NO.

    I am a very practical fellow, and being the everyday practical that I am, I opted for the Mitsubishi since it best represented my requirements. If I wanted those technical figures you keep and annoyingly repeat, I'd gladly put that on a sports car, and maybe some. Heck, I could have bought an Impreza WRX, with the money that I had before.

    But then again, NO.

    I am practical and I have a family. My family doesn't need a sports car nor a very fast vehicle so that I can st*p*dly kill myself because I was tempted to juice-out all of its "amazing" power and torque in our very limited roads.

    Being a big vehicle, I believe the power and torque is enough to provide me with good fuel figures and decent overtaking acceleration. But that's it.

    Seriously, nobody cares whether the 4D56 (mine is 4M41 similar to the Pajero) is jurassic old or whatever. I trust it because it has been fitted in most Mitsubishi vehicles ever since I can remember. Before I bought it, I took a huge time to research the maintenance cost and availability of parts. It seems to me, being old is a plus factor specially on serviceability of the engine and the vehicle as a whole.

    "Moreover again besides SAFETY, not only Botchi Santos of TG Phils. acknowledges it (let alone, that he in fact, RAVES about the Santa Fe), the Santa Fe is also regarded as the BEST amongst amongst the Philippine-midsize SUV/CUV when it comes to PERFORMANCE, namely in the aspects of:"

    - Seriously, I don't really give a kahuna whether a very technical person tells me that to him / her it is the best. I follow my requirements and then choose after, and i'm not even saying he / she is non-sense.

    It is my money in the first place not his or hers. I decide what to buy, not you or any other know-how.

    "JUDGING on this, and OBJECTIVELY, without too much inclination and attachment into one's bought item (well, i know how you feel as it pains you when you realise that the car you paid for to own and then rave about to friends is in fact not the best there is), it is the HYUNDAI Santa Fe R-eVGT that gives the best value for the money, not the Fortuner and not the Monterosport."

    - As I have mentioned previously, I have already experienced owning the Fortuner and now drives the Montero Sport. Frankly, I love them both (although I'm loving my Montero Sport more than ever because of people like you).

    For what its worth, I hope you're not from HARI or some auto company set to annoy most of us here.

    I have lots of respects for HARI and I believe they are very good now. But then, you of all people are making their products look like items of DESPERATION to sell.

    "Please also note sir that i do not personally own a Santa Fe, i have only driven them couple of times to know more than well the difference of a better car in the Fe, but we own a Monterosport.... Basically, we largely come from an Isuzu background with some Mitsubishi's and recently with Toyota...."

    - why do you keep on insisting that you don't personally own the vehicle you're imparting information to us? NOBODY SERIOUSLY CARES, man.

    Again, if your so adamant on insisting that your Sta.Fe is so good, buy one and get a life, maybe a good job because from the looks of it, you have too much time for your silly rants.

    Peace out!


  • otto_meister Oct 26 2011 @ 09:21pm
    @mr. dtkiko:

    Sir, if I may since you have mentioned my name in one of your replies then I believe I'm obligued to reply as well.

    "Sirs, i know how you love your Mitsubishi Monterosports ---- BUT PLEASE let's be honest even once-in-awhile among highly-estemeed selves and to others."

    - Am I not being too honest for you? or any other? were your referring to me as a liar to begin with? top gear people, can you please at least regulate this person before somebody gets too annoyed.

    "Cost-wise, comparing the relatively underpowered Monterosport 4x4 GT-V (174 hp, 350 Nm) against the Santa Fe 4x4 R-eVGT (197 hp, 435 Nm), the two cost just about the same in the range of PhP1.70 M. AGAIN, they all cost almost just the same, including the 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner 4x4 D4-D"

    - Maybe you didn't read my post properly. As much as engine power is very important to you, to begin with, before I bought my GLS SE, I asked myself: do I really need too much power?

    My answer is a big NO.

    I am a very practical fellow, and being the everyday practical that I am, I opted for the Mitsubishi since it best represented my requirements. If I wanted those technical figures you keep and annoyingly repeat, I'd gladly put that on a sports car, and maybe some. Heck, I could have bought an Impreza WRX, with the money that I had before.

    But then again, NO.

    I am practical and I have a family. My family doesn't need a sports car nor a very fast vehicle so that I can st*p*dly kill myself because I was tempted to juice-out all of its "amazing" power and torque in our very limited roads.

    Being a big vehicle, I believe the power and torque is enough to provide me with good fuel figures and decent overtaking acceleration. But that's it.

    Seriously, nobody cares whether the 4D56 (mine is 4M41 similar to the Pajero) is jurassic old or whatever. I trust it because it has been fitted in most Mitsubishi vehicles ever since I can remember. Before I bought it, I took a huge time to research the maintenance cost and availability of parts. It seems to me, being old is a plus factor specially on serviceability of the engine and the vehicle as a whole.

    "Moreover again besides SAFETY, not only Botchi Santos of TG Phils. acknowledges it (let alone, that he in fact, RAVES about the Santa Fe), the Santa Fe is also regarded as the BEST amongst amongst the Philippine-midsize SUV/CUV when it comes to PERFORMANCE, namely in the aspects of:"

    - Seriously, I don't really give a kahuna whether a very technical person tells me that to him / her it is the best. I follow my requirements and then choose after, and i'm not even saying he / she is non-sense.

    It is my money in the first place not his or hers. I decide what to buy, not you or any other know-how.

    "JUDGING on this, and OBJECTIVELY, without too much inclination and attachment into one's bought item (well, i know how you feel as it pains you when you realise that the car you paid for to own and then rave about to friends is in fact not the best there is), it is the HYUNDAI Santa Fe R-eVGT that gives the best value for the money, not the Fortuner and not the Monterosport."

    - As I have mentioned previously, I have already experienced owning the Fortuner and now drives the Montero Sport. Frankly, I love them both (although I'm loving my Montero Sport more than ever because of people like you).

    For what its worth, I hope you're not from HARI or some auto company set to annoy most of us here.

    I have lots of respects for HARI and I believe they are very good now. But then, you of all people are making their products look like items of DESPERATION to sell.

    "Please also note sir that i do not personally own a Santa Fe, i have only driven them couple of times to know more than well the difference of a better car in the Fe, but we own a Monterosport.... Basically, we largely come from an Isuzu background with some Mitsubishi's and recently with Toyota...."

    - why do you keep on insisting that you don't personally own the vehicle you're imparting information to us? NOBODY SERIOUSLY CARES, man.

    Again, if your so adamant on insisting that your Sta.Fe is so good, buy one and get a life, maybe a good job because from the looks of it, you have too much time for your silly rants.

    Peace out!
  • dtkiko Oct 27 2011 @ 12:29am
    otto_meister:

    You've posted the same message twice sir....

    Lemme just bring you back to an important excerpt from your first post, sir gentleman, which i hope you didn't forget. Kindly read thourgh and through bago ka magalit ulit sir:

    "Value for money.

    Yes, you read it right, value for money. What any other Mid-Size SUV lacks is its appeal for value for money proposition. Only the Fortuner came close, but not enough."

    That's why i answered this way sir, as a brief:

    "Sirs, i know how you love your Mitsubishi Monterosports ---- BUT PLEASE let's be honest even once-in-awhile among highly-estemeed selves and to others.

    Cost-wise, comparing the relatively underpowered Monterosport 4x4 GT-V (174 hp, 350 Nm) against the Santa Fe 4x4 R-eVGT (197 hp, 435 Nm), the two cost just about the same in the range of PhP1.70 M. AGAIN, they all cost almost just the same, including the 3.0-litre Toyota Fortuner 4x4 D4-D

    JUDGING on this, and OBJECTIVELY, without too much inclination and attachment into one's bought item (well, i know how you feel as it pains you when you realise that the car you paid for to own and then rave about to friends is in fact not the best there is), it is the HYUNDAI Santa Fe R-eVGT that gives the best value for the money, not the Fortuner and not the Monterosport."

    GOOD THING you also mentioned that yours is the bigger 3.2-litre Monterosport of which the 4x4 cost even more than the 2.5-litre Monty GT-V when the latter first came out in 2011. PLEASE AGAIN, PLEASE LANG huwag sana magalit at mainis dahil totoo naman ito sir na mas mahal ang 3.2-litre Monty just so recently compared to the GT-V, OK????

    Also, kindly let's not do politicking, so much to call upon TG Phils about my post to you because you got irked by FACTS or yet another comparo between performance, safety, and price that you're contending about value for money....
    ....So, how do you want any other forumers in this public forum who happens to be in the know to react sir???? Pipi nalang? Certainly, other people will comment, kaya nga nagko-comment ka din sir eh....

    Basta sir the moment sumali ka public forum, be aware that people will also comment.... Gusto mo naman ikaw lang pogi sir eh, dapat lahat tayo pogi....



  • dtkiko Oct 27 2011 @ 02:41am
    otto_meister:

    Heto yun sir, as of 01 to 31 October 2011 quote: http://mitsubishi-motors.com.ph/pricelist.php

    Yari man lang sinabi mo na mahal-na-mahal mo Monterosport mo sir, huwag ka naman sana mainis at magalit sir dahil babalik lang naman tayo sa VALUE-FOR-MONEY (words such as better-packaging and better pricing hehe) that you so rave about your Monterosport GLS SE and that the Fortuner, 3.0-litre D-4D, is lesser enticing for your needs. Do you really thought so and think so until now that the 3.2-litre Monty is a better engine than the 3.0-litre Forty's legendary 1KD-FTV engine, cerebrally-speaking????

    FACT 1:

    Base sa official pricelist ng Mitsu Phils. as of October 2011 MAHAL PA rin ang older and carried-over 2011 model 3.2-litre Monterosport GLS SE kaysa 2012 model 2.5-litre Monterosport GT-V. PhP1.720 M si older big brother compared kay PhP1.708 M GT-V.

    The 3.0-litre Fortuner is offered at around PhP1.719 M while the Santa Fe R eVGT 4X4 at PhP1.788 M.

    FACT 2:

    The Strada and the Monty share the same engine just as the Hilux and the Forty. Now, as for the power and torque, the indicative stock wheel-hp and torque of the 3.2-litre Strada is 146 bhp and 312 Nm. The values were taken from Speedlab Racing's (co-owned by TG Phils. Ferman Lao) chassis-dyno which you may refer to at Speedlab's website ---- just convert 231 lb force-ft of torque where you'd get the answer 312 Nm.
    http://www.speedlab.com.ph/products/unichip/strada.jpg

    Obviously these values are a far cry from the paper-spec of the 3.2 Monty that it produces 163 metric-hp by DIN standards and 343 Nm of torque.

    Now, the 3.0-litre Toyota Hilux D-4D was also tested by Speedlab and it registered an indicative stock wheel-hp of 149 bhp and a 383 Nm of torque. Both numbers are closer and even better to the paper-spec of 163 metric-hp by DIN standards and 343 Nm of torque. The mark difference there is the torque of the 3.0-litre D-4D engine that it's actually pulling 383 Nm of force at the rear-wheel.
    http://www.speedlab.com.ph/products/unichip/hilux.jpg

    By the way, the 3.0-litre D4-D or the 1KD-FTV engine has long been equipped with a VGT, long way since year 2001 ---- Yes, year 2001 that is....



    So now, THERE GOES sir your best price-for-the-money argument which basically is purely and 100% just a self-anecdoting statement ---- excuse me sir but this is how i describe it "purely just self-anecdoting statement", it's like saying to others "i did this....", or "i did that....", or "been there, done that...." even when there is no proof that you did it, or when the fact is you never really did it at all..... This is what i call pure and 100% just a "self-anecdote"

    FACT 3:

    Now sir, lemme quote your reference to the word, the big "NO", and here's my version:
    NO, i don't believe you at all sir, when you offered your purely self-anecdoting or purely self concocted "best-value-for-money" and "better pricing and packaging" that comes with your Monterosport GLS SE.... NO, i don't take any of your word for it and i'm telling you this man-to-man.... NO, i don't buy what you said and i'm even giving you my handshake to this....




    i didn't even tackle in this post the TRUE BEST VALUE FOR MONEY, the 2.2-litre Santa Fe R-eVGT 4x4 as it's moot-and-academic it will stump them all big time even the Monty GT-V in terms of overall performance ---- engine-, suspension-, manoeuvring-, fuel-efficiency-, and safety-wise for the individual or as a family 7-seater SUV/CUV....

    Basta sa public forum sir, hindi pu-puede na gusto mo ikaw lang pogi sir.... dapat lahat tayo pogi....

    Peace-out....
  • jigg11 Oct 27 2011 @ 02:41pm
    Ang galing talaga ng Sta. Fe!
    Kaso montero sport pa rin ang binili ko. Thanks sa mga ill at bitter advices advices ni dtkiko sa montero. Mas talo nga talaga sya ng sta.fe kaso pinoy ako kaya mas doon ako sa underdog kumampi. Tsaka di ko kelangan ng world class at pangarerang sasakyan. Ang kelangan ko ay pang Philippine class kasi nasa pinas ako.
    Tsaka sabi mo nga dtkiko na di dapat ikaw lang ang pogi, kelangan lahat tayo pogi. Kaya sa pakiramdam ko ang pogi-pogi ko dito sa bago kong montero sport! Ala eh pinaglilingunan na ako dine sa may amin...
  • Kyoichi Sudo Oct 29 2011 @ 04:42pm
    si dtkiko napaka-saya dahil napakabilis ng engine ng santa fe............... ang d nya alam.............. mas prefer ng mga pinoys ang porma kesa bilis. magdasal ka na lng dtkiko na d mababasa ng mitsubishi heads yung mga comments mo, baka maglagay din cla ng VGT sa 3.2L
  • maranello_5775 Oct 29 2011 @ 08:21pm
    Sir dtkiko, the more you bash the montero sport the more people will buy it(or believe in it) because of your hostile approach (probably you haven't hear the word "constructive criticism")

    you always use words that were not pleasant to hear(or in this case- to read)that's why even if the person believes the "facts" that you were stating, he/she feels that you were not sincere because of the way you apply it.
  • mgr366 Nov 02 2011 @ 02:54pm
    =) medyo nagkakaasaran na ata. peace lang mga bro. the specifications of santa fe is better than montero, but for me (again this is just me) the looks of montero sport is better at mas mataas sya. nasubukan ko na rin mag drive ng santa fe, masarap sya i-drive except pag rough road. value for money talaga ang montero, the same goes with santa fe. the santa fe is a great car, mababa lang sya for a few cm but its great kaso medyo out nga lang sa budget ko. i love both cars, but in the end, yun mas mura at mas matangkad ang pinili ko. to everyone, please let cooler heads prevail. respect each and everyone's opinion. dtkiko, kelan ka po bibili ng santa fe mo? and since may montero sport ka pala, any news you can share kung saan makakabili ng murang hood insect protector para sa montero? - thanks in advance
  • IaNurse Nov 03 2011 @ 12:33am
    Yung maka-Sta. Fe at Fortuner kung makasabi parang sila ang engineers ng mga paborito nilang SUV. Ang daldal.Sa mga Toyota fan, Oo # 1 nga sa global sales ang Toyota pero number 1 din sila sa pagproduce ng CO2. " Massive production results to massive CO2" yun ang objective ng Toyota. At in the first place, reliability of a car depends sa owners naman eh, bakit ano ba ang kinaiba ang engine ng Toyota sa iba? At comment lang sa upgraded Fortuner,same as the previous one. looks lang at bango nga interior na bago ang bag-o, wala na.
  • dominic Nov 03 2011 @ 02:12am
    chill guys :)
  • jaejae Nov 03 2011 @ 11:19am
    kung ang lahat ng forumers pareho kay dtkiko, wala nang tayong makukuha kundi puro BS and all....
    sa lahat ng nabasa ko ito ang dapat na tularan niyong comment:

    "I think it is not proper to combine the strong points of two vehicles and compare it with one vehicle. I agee that santa fe is faster and I also agree that fortuner is better off road but these are two cars. There is no car by the name santa fort. If we were to follow this kind of logic, we can also say that the montero is the better choice because it has better off road capability than the santa fe and has a better ride than the fortuner. However, it just does not make sense comparing cars that way. Each car has its own strong points, depende nalang sa buyer kung ano ang priority nya. "

    so sa mga brand haters, grow up! kung ganyan attitude niyo, get out of your house or office and magtambay na lang sa kalye at dun magbida, ayos?
  • mgr366 Nov 04 2011 @ 10:39am
    ok naman talaga ang montero sport. ang di lang ok ay kung gusto mo maging member ng Montero Sport Club of the Philippines. Pag magtanong sila before ka maging member eh parang pabalagbag. I understand the exclusivity and strictness kaso dapat may pag-galang at i-explain mabuti before hand na it is for the purpose na bogus yun user/account na sasali at hindi mang-gugulo. Kaya I changed my mind kc mahangin masyado yun admin ng MSCP.
  • jaejae Nov 04 2011 @ 09:24pm
    @mgr366...i am a MSCP member sir, if you look it that way it will be that way...ano po bang tanong yung tinutukoy nyo sir? ok naman po mga members ng MSCP i assure you that...
  • dtkiko Nov 05 2011 @ 02:25pm
    mgr366:

    Like i always said chief, the Monterosport is like a "big Crosswind" and nothing really spectacular except that Mitsu guys make out a lot of stories how good it is even when it is not ---- nagagalit lang mga yan dahil i don't agree with their personal anecdotes, ganyan lang yan sir....

    It's NOT even the best value for money as highlighted and the Montysport is even a neverheard in other countries, even it's other name Pajerosport hehe. In fact, in a lot of south east asian countries, both the Santa Fe and Fortuner are even doing well than the Montysport of Pajerosport. Pang Las Islas Filipinas lang talaga ang Monterosport maging ang buong Mitsubishi Motors hehe ----
    .... How can an old 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at nagpahagis na ng katakot-takot na publicity ang Mitsu tungkol sa VGT that as if Mitsubishi ang nag-imbento ng teknolohiyang ito comes in good value for money?

    The contention here is value for money as i highlighted previously and of which i don't agree with anyone defending the Montysport for value for money, per se, as an observer and occassional user of Santa Fe (brother in law's car), Fortuner (here in my oversea worksite), and Monterosport (that the in-laws own personally and here at my oversae worksite as Pajerosport):

    PhP1.720 M - 3.2-litre jurassic 4M41 engine MONTYSPORT 4x4 (actual rear wheel hp only at 146 ps and a measly 312 Nm torque at a rev of 3000 rpm ---- NOT 163 ps and 343 Nm at 2000 rpm as declared in the paper)

    PhP1.719 M - 3.0-litre 1KD-FTV engine FORTUNER 4x4 (actual rear wheel hp at 149 ps and a whopping 383 Nm of torque at 2500 rpm) ---- slightly lower than 163 ps and way above than 343 Nm at 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm as declared in the paper)

    PhP1.710 M - 2.5-litre jurassic 4D56 na sinalpakan lang ng VGT MONTEROSPORT 4x4 ---- 178 ps at 4000 rpm and 350 Nm at 3500 rpm as declared in the paper (as confirmed further by TopGear tech guro Ferman Lao, this VGT engines makes only 250 Nm at 1800 rpm NOT 350 Nm as falsely declared in the paper). Better look at Mitsu Philippines torque curve graph and you'll see it all there that the torque peaks very narrowly only at 3500 rpm and then it drops off tremensously throughout the rev range.

    PhP1.788 M - 2.2-litre R-eVGT 4th generation modern diesel engine SANTA FE 4x4 - 197 ps at 3800 rpm with a whopping 435 Nm of torque distributed from 1800 rpm to 2500 rpm. The BEST performing SUV/CUV in the class in terms of performance (power, torque, suspension, high-speed straightline stability, high-speed cornering/ manoeuvring, fuel economy) and safety features (5-star Euro NCAP safety rating).

    There you see, anyone who see that both those jurassic-engined Montysport (where both have questionable power and torque spec declared in paper just to blind car consumers) are the best value for money is really a great in a lot of sense.... and is displaying fanatiscm at its best....

    Not to worry too much, by the way, sir mgr366, sooner the Montysport will be traded-off most prolly for a Santa Fe by this coming year, just like the way we disposed off the Adventure for an Innova D4-D this year....

    Kind regards.
  • RS500 Nov 05 2011 @ 02:52pm
    Naka mitsu Pajero DiD na ako pero di ko talaga type ung montero. Hiniram ko ung monty ng friend namin for 1 week habang nasa shop pajero ko, pagdating sa interior parang tinipid lang pajero talaga ang dating sa akin. Ang pangit pa nung gps antenna na nakalabas sa sulok. Dapat naginvest na lang sila sa bagong engine kaysa sa puro interior upgrades at salpak ng lang ng turbo.
  • mgr366 Nov 05 2011 @ 08:52pm
    @jaejae, actually, wala naman ako masasabing problema sa mga members kc d pa naman ako member so i didnt have the chance to know. but the admin who is handling it. Siguro dapat magseminar muna or training. Parang hindi profesional ang dating. Kug ganun din lang naman ang nag-ha-handle or nag-a-admin, naku, wag na lang.
  • mgr366 Nov 05 2011 @ 08:55pm
    @dtkiko, cguro inaabangan mo yun bagong labas na santa fe, meron na ba or kelan daw? by the way what year yun Montero Sport mo?
  • gundam Nov 06 2011 @ 10:29pm
    May nabasa lang akong mga facts ng dyno sa previous post. Indicate mo naman baka yung isa ay manual tranny at automatic naman yung isa. Not an expert pero sa pagka alam ko iba ang tranny ng hilux compared sa fortuner, so most probably it will give a different dyno reading. Aba eh basahin nyo yung column ni ferman ng november at baka kyo na yung nasa topic nya.
  • jaejae Nov 07 2011 @ 08:32am
    mgr366 .
    if that's what you say sir, your choice ;)

    dtkiko
    yan nanaman ang big-crosswind, hahaha mahilig ka talaga mag exagerate.... i owned a 2006 XUVi for 5 years and it's far from the Montysport when it comes to everything except the FC and steering (crosswind has softer steering), sa power pa lang more than 2x na ang Monty sa xwind, driving comfort, looks, interior and more.... so what's do you say about "big-crosswind"? puro ka black propaganda eh heheheh
  • davenberg Nov 15 2011 @ 11:21pm
    Magandang araw po sa mga makikisig at mga poging forumers ng Top Gear
    Sana po aling man sa tatlong ito meron tayo ay maging happy na tayo, kasi kong nagkataon na pare-pareho ang specs ng mga ito wala tayong pagtatalunan pa sa bawat kahinaan at kalakasan ng specs. Ang totoo magagaling na kalidad itong mga sasakyang ito kasi isa sa mga engineers na gumawa nito ay pinoy din..... ang importanteng masasabi ko lang po sa Monty, FE or Furtuner sana lahat sila i-drive in the manner of SAFELY and Defensively. At sana po sa mga nabasa ko na mainitang pagtatalo sana dito lang sa tiklado ng PC nyo at di na sana sa manibela. hangad ko ang kaligtasan at katatagan ng bawat sasakyan nyo.
    Sa palagay koy, ang pinakamainit na issue ay HEAVY TRAFFIC sa mga lungsod (particularly manila) at mataas na presyo na pang karga sa ating mga Monty Fe at Furtuner. Gusto kong makabasa na "Hey, Our model is better than your model, We are comsuming about1 liter In 70 Km(70 Km/Liter) and if held in a heavy traffic for about 30 minutes-nakakalipad itong modelo na ito,",,,,,hhahahah---Patawa lang po....
    Sa sariling palagay po-mas maganda at masaya na ako sa modelong bibilhin ko (In God will sa Dec 2011-not to mention) ksi di ko na kailangang mag commute pa. sasamahan ko na lang ng tamang paggamit para tumagal ang makina at manitiling fresh ang labas at loob. Di pa po ako nakaranas mag drive dyan sa atin pero talagang ang sakit ng sasakyan dyan ay ang kabig sa kanan kabig sa kaliwa (Mga fuel station)...para kumarga. Sa mga may kaya --okay lang yan..hahaha.
    Based on my drive expirienced here in here in abroad, masarap i-drive ang V8 na sedan or SUV kong ang presyo ng Fuel (Petrol) ay 7 peso per Liter lng...Sana makabou ng concept itong Hyundai, Mitsu at Toyota na mai-reduce ng 50% ang fuel consumption kumpara sa dati nilang lumang modelo...So pagkakaguluhan at magkakaubusan talaga ng modelo sa merkado kapag nagkaganyan..Peace po

    Merry Christmas...More power po sa mga commentators ng Top Gear-Masaya po pala dito at maraming mapupulot na mabubuting pagpapayo.
  • dveight Nov 29 2011 @ 08:29am
  • SAS77 Dec 22 2011 @ 08:46am
    http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.ph/latestnews/montero-sport-unintended-acceleration-cases.html

    Funny how so many people are trying to say this is a bad vehicle. I've tested the Everest 3.0 XLT, Fortuner 3.0 D4D V (2011), and the Montero Sport GTV (2012). Sorry to bust your bubble haters but the Montero Sport outperforms the Everest and Fortuner in both road and off-road conditions. And that power testing dtkiko is saying? Wow, you're one big hater to go so far to make up stories to ruin the Montero Sport.
  • SAS77 Dec 22 2011 @ 01:48pm
    Oh and I have to add... I checked the engine of the Monty Sport. And the only thing which I found as old is the engine block. All the other parts are new. Go ahead and compare the pistons, piston pin, cylinder gasket, cylinder head, turbo charger, air compressor, fuel injection, injection pump with the older engine from an older L200 and you will see that these are all different. Sorry dtkiko but unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about. I have to agree though on the part that the Santa Fe is definitely a faster vehicle, off-road though the Monty is definitely superior.
  • dhryfusc Dec 31 2011 @ 05:09pm
    Bat ganon, pag mag pose about sa sudden accelleration problem ng montero, denedelete nila sa forum na ito. May tinatago ba sila? Alam nyo, marami akong kaibigan bumili ng montero at tinanong ko kung nabasa nila ang ganitong problema ng montero, ang sagot nila hindi daw. Nang pinakita ko na ang sudden acceleration ng montero sa facebook, natulala sila at tumahimik, ang comment nga nila sino bang g*g* babangga ng sasakyan nila para lng sa paninira according to mitsubishi. Maging totoo kayo, nag pose lng ang mitsubishi na walang problema. Naniniwala kaagad kayo. Ang tanong andoon ba kayo nong nag check up ang mga enginneers nila. Pina pampubliko ba nila ang pag check up? Shut up lemon cars
  • dhryfusc Dec 31 2011 @ 05:22pm
    Alam mo naman na ang pinoy mahilig sa "to see is to believe", dapat mag pakita sila ng pictures na tsi ni check-up ang mga montero na may problema sa suddem accelaration. Kasi nababahala kasi daming naka pose at may mga plate number pa. Para mawala ang takot ng buyer, dapat may pictures with enginners at pina publiko ang pag check up and ung mga may ari ng montero na nadamay sa sudden accelaration na nag papatotoo na ok na ang montero. Next time isulat ko ang web site sa sudden accelation ng montero. Hope DI NILA DELETEn
  • dhryfusc Jan 09 2012 @ 10:35pm
    Akoy nababahala sa mga V series ng montero, ang dami ko nang nakita sa daan na mausok ang tambutso. Ang iba a month pa lang mausok na. Meron nga na publish na mausok na ang bagong bili na montero sa youtube. Alam naman natin na di malinis ang diesel natin dito sa pinas. Siguro di talaga design ang montero dito sa pinas. Hope wag nyo na dagdagan ang air pollution natin. 3 years from now grabeng hulihan ang gagawin ng LTO dahil sa smke belching. Tulad tong panahon ng crosswind, pag nakita isuzu crosswind ang sasakyan mo, paparahin nila for smoke belching test. Di natural sa suv na mausok ang buga ng tambutso. Be environment friendly di sa puro yabang
  • dhryfusc Jan 09 2012 @ 10:41pm
    Totoo ba ung sabi ng iba pag malakas ang horse power ng sasakyan mo, mausok na talaga parang katulad ng truck, bus, trailer, bulldozer and etc. Kasi ang mga sasakyan na to malakas ang horse power kaya napaka usok ng tambutso. Hope di ganito sa isipan ng montero na sirain ang kalikasan natin. Mga bagong model ng ibang brand ng sasakyan wala naman ganitong problema sa usok.
  • SAS77 Jan 13 2012 @ 01:13am
    Really now? I've seen other NEW diesels from other auto makers smoke belching. You're complaining about single incidents which don't reflect the general status of the vehicle. Need an example? Here are videos of a new Ford and Toyota caught smoke belching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S46ZXArNSsI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVF71bpOQQ . As for the smoky montero sport, all that needs fixing is a minor ecu adjustment and the vehicle is smoke free as seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMbKGdM8w8&feature=related
  • dhryfusc Jan 15 2012 @ 09:40am
    Reaaly, but that vehicles are old model. Im reffering for 1 month below after purchasing the unit.
  • dhryfusc Jan 15 2012 @ 09:41am
    Really,, that are old model vehicles. Im reffering one month and below after purchasing the vehicles.
  • dhryfusc Jan 15 2012 @ 09:56am
    I guess, they should not thinking to destroy our environment tru smoke belching before the montero adjusting the egr. Destroy first the environment before correcting the smoking problem- what kind of idea, oh my god that bad idea
    • davenberg Jan 15 2012 @ 12:40pm
      Gentlemen,,,
      Please differentiate Ford Everest 2012 Ltd 4X2 AT to Latest Furtu and Monte…
      Which SUV one is better choice on its FC, Off road, Power, looks, external/internal features, etc.
      Thanks to all…
  • dhryfusc Jan 15 2012 @ 09:20pm
    Montero, fortuner, sta. Fe and other brand of suv is like a battle of rubber shoes. If u love to wear nike, adidas or any brand of rubbershoes.
    • davenberg Jan 15 2012 @ 10:00pm
      Okay Sir, kaya po nakahiligan kong magsout ng boots na red wings para pag sakay ko ng Everst 2012, di kayang abutin... Peace po Sir, Pa-Happy lang.. hahah
  • meowwin Feb 21 2012 @ 01:30pm
    Ishare ko lang po.

    May nabasa ako na si Hyundai nagsimula Kasama si mitsubishi.

    "1980s Hyundai licensed designs from Mitsubishi to build cars. Hyundai did not build its own engine until 1991, when the Alpha four-cylinder was introduced. Dr. Lee was the proud father of that engine, which is still used in the Accent"

    at bakit MAGANDA ANG DESIGN NI HYUNDAI KAYSA KAY MITSUBISHI?

    "Mitsubishi doesn't do well since they make bad financial decisions. The company has been on the verge of bankrupcy for several years which effects the resale of their cars. They have also screwed a lot of people over with financing by setting up ballon payments and no payments for a year. Then when consumers find out what happened, they have a bad taste in thei mouth and never by a Mitsubishi again."

    I think eto ang dahilan kung bakit wala sila sa LIST ng mga TOP World Wide. (Para sakin lang naman)


    I-google mo "mitsubishi and hyundai borrows engine"

    or some links.

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0805_hyundai_engines/index.html
    http://www.hyundaiperformance.com/forums/off-topic/58907-hyundai-still-using-mitsubishi-engines.html

    Si mitsubishi, Suzuki, Hyundai, Ford and GM motors nag shasharing ng technologies.
    (From Attending the xmas party of mitsubishii casa, dun ko nalaman)

    Nasa Engineers at budget na lang nag kakaiba.
    Kaya mas maganda ang Specification ng isang makina between the two and ETC.

    GOOGLE LANG PO.

    Kung bibili po kayo ng Sasakyan. Read More! Hindi lang sa Forums.

    Bias po kasi dito.

    At siguraduhin nyo mag Drive TEST.

    Para Ma-experience nyo, at kung tama ba o Mali ang sinasabi ng mga tao sa FORUMS.

    Be Wise.








  • meowwin Feb 21 2012 @ 01:46pm
    Para walang Gulo.

    Maganda na ang hyundai Santa fe.

    Panget na ang lahat.

    Sheessss.

    Preparatory ba kayo? Nag tatalo sa candy?

    ^_^.

    Grow up please.

    Peace po.
    • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:46pm
      Bulok ang Sante Fe boy. Kaya wala ka masyadong nakikita yan sa kalsada ehh.
  • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:55pm
    Mga taga Top Gear, wag niyo na lang papansinin yan si dtkiko dahil puro trashtalk lng ang hayop na yan. Iyak nga nang iyak tungkol sa montero dahil marami lng siya nakikita sa labas. Yung Santa Fe na yan, maganda nga performance pero hindi naman kasing sikat ng Montero dahil syempre, korean lng yan. HINDI tunay na lalake ang mga nagmamaneho ng Santa Fe o yung iba na ikinukumpara sa Montero. Kaya wag kayo maniniwala dyan dahil b*kla lng yan, di niya lang kaya ang Montero hahaha. Kakapikon dahil puro trashtalk lng naman siya ehh.
  • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 07:59pm
    Mas maganda pa din ang Montero kaysa Santa Fe. Wag kayo maniniwala sa iba dyan na gumagawa lng ng BLACK PROPAGANDA sa Montero dahil ayaw lang nila makita ito sa daan. Mga weak na piling magaling sila pero sa katotohanan, hindi naman tunay lalaki kaya hanggang iyak lang mga yan lalo na to si dtkiko.
  • PanotAko May 30 2012 @ 09:04pm
    Bawat posts ni dtkiko ay may thumbs down hehehe. Puro iyak na lng kasi.
  • cisca248 Dec 12 2012 @ 01:54am
    sus nagtalo pa..lahat naman ng diesel bulok...dpat nga pag bawal na yang mga diesel na yan e....
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